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【芸能】ジャニー喜多川氏「性加害問題」で物議の山下達郎が〝老害〟呼ばわりされる「世知辛さ」

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250名無しさん@恐縮ですID:vvn6ZDQT02023/07/17(月) 16:43:17.39
>「ま、このような私の姿勢をですね、忖度あるいは長いものに巻かれているとそのように解釈されるのであれば、それでも構いません。きっとそういう方々には私の音楽は不要でしょう」

>〝嫌なら聴かなければいい〟と意訳され

実際そういう意味の発言だろ

266名無しさん@恐縮ですID:+8vT/CEO0
>>250
だからお前は低脳なんだよ
251名無しさん@恐縮ですID:A/J4nqgs02023/07/17(月) 16:47:49.68
児童虐待メディアはジャニーズ問題は法的に問えないなどと
大嘘をついたり自らの検証を行わない前提で取ってつけた謝罪を
繰り返しているがこれが現在進行形で行われているメディアの実態

> 元ジャニーズ ジュニアの
> カウアン氏はジャニーズの性被害
> について語ると同時に「ジャニーズ以外でも
> AKBと関わったりとか、グラビアと
> 関わったりとかするけど枕だらけじゃないですか。
> みんな大人は知ってるけど」

> 「もう本人から直接泣きながら
> 被害を聞くんで、女の子たちも」 「女の子は
> 枕半端ないですよね。多いです。16歳とか17歳
> とか高校生とかで挨拶しに行ってって部屋行ったら
> もうボスや編集者が待ってて、
> 大人3人いて動画撮ってるみたいな

253名無しさん@恐縮ですID:AfJYy5FL02023/07/17(月) 16:55:07.58
どんな実績あっても簡単に崩れるだろうに
254名無しさん@恐縮ですID:tAkEGnCs02023/07/17(月) 16:57:46.74
ジャニは夜ふけ過ぎに
261名無しさん@恐縮ですID:l0OvVCLi0
>>254
鬼畜に変わるだろう
シャブリnight穴掘ーるnight
255名無しさん@恐縮ですID:PAfpSlNO02023/07/17(月) 17:00:20.54
山下達郎も

ホルモンバランスが悪いんだろうよ

256名無しさん@恐縮ですID:mpgsxHcA02023/07/17(月) 17:04:27.30
がライブのクオリティは極めて高いよ
264名無しさん@恐縮ですID:YKVlu36J0
>>256
だよな!

気に食わねぇ客を何千人の客席で晒し上げ罵倒するもんなww

俺の考える試聴スタイル以外は一切認めねぇキチガイだもんww

260名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ai//bMmi02023/07/17(月) 17:22:59.26
>正直残念なのは、例えば、すばらしいグループだったSMAPの皆さんが解散することになったり、最近ではキンプリが分裂してしまったり、あんなに才能を感じるユニットがどうして…と疑問に思います。私には何もわかりませんけれど、とっても残念です。願わくば、みんなが仲良く連帯して、すばらしい活動を続けていってほしいと思うのは私だけではないはずです。キンキ、嵐、他のグループもみんな末永く活動していってほしいと思うばかりです。
https://www.oricon.co.jp/news/2286351/full/

達郎は
ジャニヲタより遥かにジャニーズの知識が乏しい
Twitter、芸スポ民よりも詳しくない

277名無しさん@恐縮ですID:OybgnShN0
>>260
スマップやキンプリは辞めたメンバーと事務所に残ったメンバーそれぞれのファンが対立してるのに何を言う
この状況で再結成を願うとかアホかとw
ジャニオタ味方につけられなくて残念だったね!
278名無しさん@恐縮ですID:FRV2qmcC0
>>277
お前さんは読解力ないの?
281名無しさん@恐縮ですID:OybgnShN0
>>278
え、なんの読解力?
260のレスは山下がジャニーズ事務所とジャニオタに全力で尻尾フリフリして滑ったコメントでしょ
286名無しさん@恐縮ですID:8I6mBLMq0
>>281
いや横だけど読解力ないよ。こっちが恥ずかしい
262名無しさん@恐縮ですID:OsenA4Lx02023/07/17(月) 17:27:59.02
ジャニー喜多川は達郎のご恩やご縁がある5000人ぐらい(もっと?)の中の一人に過ぎないでしょう
音楽仲間の方が付き合いあるんだろうし
263名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Z8FAHD9A02023/07/17(月) 17:40:03.92
ジャニーズあっての山下達郎なんだから批判なんてできない。
268名無しさん@恐縮ですID:RMropaT20
>>263
批判したら自分も干されるわけだからそりゃ出来ないよ
達郎さんでも無理なのに
いったい誰なら可能なのかと
270名無しさん@恐縮ですID:AjOk60xM0
>>263
それは山下達郎を知らなすぎるわ
ただの中傷
265名無しさん@恐縮ですID:V58F0XxY02023/07/17(月) 18:17:20.10
風の回廊 コリドー?が好き
269名無しさん@恐縮ですID:bYTWL6yz02023/07/17(月) 19:57:41.24
田嶋陽子氏 出演者の不祥事で作品の配信停止に異論「ノーベル賞受賞者が殺人を犯したら、業績すべて悪いもにするのか?」 [muffin★]
https://itest.5ch.net/hayabusa9/test/read.cgi/mnewsplus/1689588019/l50

元参院議員の田嶋陽子氏(82)が、16日放送の読売テレビ「そこまで言って委員会NP」(後1・30)に出演。出演者の不祥事によって作品の公開や配信が中止になることに異論を述べた。

番組では母親への自殺ほう助容疑で市川猿之助容疑者が逮捕されたことをきっかけに同容疑者が過去に出演した作品が配信中止になったことを取り上げ、インターネット上で「作品に罪はない」と議論が沸き起こっていることから、その是非を議論した。

田嶋氏は「ノーベル賞受賞者が殺人を犯したらその業績をすべて悪いもにするのか?」として異論の声を口にした。「私は“作品に罪はない”ってのと同じで、ノーベル化学賞をもらった人が殺人を犯したとしますよね。ノーベル化学賞をもらった研究成果を使っちゃいけないって言うの?もしそうだったら、人類の損失じゃない」と作品に罪はないことから公開、配信をするべきとした。

続けて「子どもと親と同じで、子どもが罪を犯したって親は別に刑罰受けないじゃない」とし「(ノーベル賞を)剥奪はすればいい。だけど業績は人類の宝じゃない。それは使わなければ」と持論を口にした。

271名無しさん@恐縮ですID:3OeJ24B60
>>269
田嶋さんもダメになったな。ノーベル賞は大抵人を救う業績のものが多いから、芸能作品とは比べようがないのに
279名無しさん@恐縮ですID:FRV2qmcC0
>>271
田嶋のスレは賛否両論
282名無しさん@恐縮ですID:vHarqHTG0
>>271
田嶋は元々炎上コメンテーターやろw
273名無しさん@恐縮ですID:hY0ZlrXz02023/07/17(月) 20:27:10.14
世知辛いという言葉を使う真意はなんなのか?と思う
275名無しさん@恐縮ですID:YyTYHYo+02023/07/17(月) 20:38:10.95
まぁ記事そのものから悪意は感じられますな
280名無しさん@恐縮ですID:pHu3mhWi02023/07/17(月) 20:59:37.66
世知辛いという表現はともかく長いものに巻かれ過ぎて世知に疎くなってたのは間違いないね
どんなに世話になったとしても一発アウトで全否定しなければならない事案というのがあって
児童レイプなんてのはその典型例だ
283名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Tp0YlBx302023/07/17(月) 21:01:11.95
田嶋陽子氏 出演者の不祥事で作品の配信停止に異論「ノーベル賞受賞者が殺人を犯したら、業績すべて悪いもにするのか?」 [muffin★]
https://itest.5ch.net/hayabusa9/test/read.cgi/mnewsplus/1689588019

2023年7月17日 18:12

元参院議員の田嶋陽子氏(82)が、16日放送の読売テレビ「そこまで言って委員会NP」(後1・30)に出演。出演者の不祥事によって作品の公開や配信が中止になることに異論を述べた。

番組では母親への自殺ほう助容疑で市川猿之助容疑者が逮捕されたことをきっかけに同容疑者が過去に出演した作品が配信中止になったことを取り上げ、インターネット上で「作品に罪はない」と議論が沸き起こっていることから、その是非を議論した。

田嶋氏は「ノーベル賞受賞者が殺人を犯したらその業績をすべて悪いもにするのか?」として異論の声を口にした。「私は“作品に罪はない”ってのと同じで、ノーベル化学賞をもらった人が殺人を犯したとしますよね。ノーベル化学賞をもらった研究成果を使っちゃいけないって言うの?もしそうだったら、人類の損失じゃない」と作品に罪はないことから公開、配信をするべきとした。

続けて「子どもと親と同じで、子どもが罪を犯したって親は別に刑罰受けないじゃない」とし「(ノーベル賞を)剥奪はすればいい。だけど業績は人類の宝じゃない。それは使わなければ」と持論を口にした。

284名無しさん@恐縮ですID:z/5U0oNh02023/07/17(月) 21:02:28.57
北側と一緒くたにして攻撃する方もいかがなものかと思ってたが
真っ正面から受け止めて反撃しちゃったからねぇ
黙ってれば十中八九クビにされた松尾の悪あがきって事で終わってたはず
287名無しさん@恐縮ですID:jcDQK4N102023/07/17(月) 21:26:44.03
ネットの使い方間違えてるの松尾の方だと思うんだよね
いきなり山下やSCの社長には寝耳に水の状態で頭飛び越して公にジュリーに会見要求してだよ
SCの社長に呼び出されてから、社長にあれこれ提案してるんだもん。そりゃ社長ベソかくよ
意識高いのは結構だけど手順と言うものが滅茶苦茶だと思うよ。
山下は「今時SNSもやってない老害」っていうよりも「ネットに免疫がなかった。(ネット民の
始末の悪さが分かってない)」って感じだね
290名無しさん@恐縮ですID:myLuzaDR0
>>287
つまり社長は忖度してるから何も言えないっとww

そもそも解雇理由が「憶測に基づく」って時点で現実から目をそらして、取引先に忖度し過ぎだろ!

それは=性被害を容認すると一緒だな

288名無しさん@恐縮ですID:tqU7w6E302023/07/17(月) 21:30:04.75
媚びに媚びて得た権力のお陰でラジオ番組続けられそうでよかったじゃん
289名無しさん@恐縮です2023/07/17(月) 22:02:10.41
国連動いたからもうヤマタツ終わりだよ
松尾さんの正義が勝った
291名無しさん@恐縮ですID:1zjJCb0m02023/07/17(月) 22:13:04.39
とりあえず、今回の発言で、ライト層のファンは今まであまり知られてなかった山達のコンサートでの気に入らない客がいると、お金払って聴きに来た客を何千人の観客の中でさらし者にして罵倒する人間性とか

ラジオでも、己の意見と違う意見は見下した物言いで徹底的に排除しようとするクッソっぷりな人間性が、一般庶民に被害が及ぶ前に知られて良かったよ!

メデタシ!メデタシ!だねw

292名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ZnzocjCJ02023/07/17(月) 22:15:32.01
達郎の発言なんて個人の自由だろ
ジャニー喜多川の犯罪を称えた訳じゃあるまいし
松尾さんは手段が悪手だよ
293名無しさん@恐縮ですID:C61++1+s02023/07/17(月) 22:25:00.19
達郎さんと松尾さん叩くのもう終わりにしたら

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