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【芸能】ジャニー喜多川氏「性加害問題」で物議の山下達郎が〝老害〟呼ばわりされる「世知辛さ」

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51名無しさん@恐縮ですID:VVmAgub602023/07/17(月) 09:49:36.02
山下達郎の言ってることは
俺ももう70歳だし
船と一緒に沈没しますってこと
レイプがあったかどうかなんて事に
首を突っ込むつもりはもうない
52名無しさん@恐縮ですID:uXfbPp4702023/07/17(月) 09:49:45.16
老害と言われたくなけりゃ黙っておくべきだったな
数十年の付き合いを切れない俗人である事を強調して妻まで巻き込んで無駄に敵を増やしたa
56名無しさん@恐縮ですID:VVmAgub60
>>52
竹内まりやも山下達郎ビジネスに首までズッポリよ
この人と結婚したら私でも一生音楽の仕事を続けられるかもしれないと言っちゃう人だし
SMAP解散の時もメリーや木村夫妻と一緒に海外にいた人だから
54名無しさん@恐縮ですID:+fOyLDlV02023/07/17(月) 09:52:25.29
もともとコミュ障気味で気難しいキャラなんだからしょうがないというか
どうでもいい
57名無しさん@恐縮ですID:VVmAgub602023/07/17(月) 09:56:17.21
ジャニーズの少年レイプビジネスに加担してたミュージシャンが晒らされるのはいいことだよ
吉田拓郎ももっと批判されていい
59名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ltP1ZDoR02023/07/17(月) 10:05:55.23
吉田拓郎は
初期はテレビ出ない反体制フォーク歌手みたいな立ち位置だったんだろ?
結局はKinKi Kidsとレギュラー番組まで持ってたからな
74名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Kk5Eud5X0
>>59
昔はテレビに歌手が出てもプロモーションだからノーギャラだったとか
それじゃ出ない人がいてもいいよな
134名無しさん@恐縮ですID:4xqGvNOW0
>>59>>74
吉田拓郎はノーギャラではないし
KinKi Kidsのこと気に入って今では年齢差ある親友とまで語ってるからな
KinKi自身に魅力あるんだろうな、達郎もだし

それより
中島みゆきや玉置浩二小田和正もジャニに提供してドップリだろ
最近ではYOSHIKIもだし、槇原敬之米津玄師も
ビーズ松本もだしミスチル桜井も提供

136名無しさん@恐縮ですID:DJWvb25H0
>>134
ほとんどの有名ミュージシャンがジャニーズ提供してるもんな
山下達郎×キンキだけ槍玉にあげられるのは違うわな
142名無しさん@恐縮ですID:RX3wVNlZ0
>>136
達郎は曲を提供したから叩かれてるわけじゃないから
139名無しさん@恐縮ですID:oyEzhfCn0
>>134
それな
174名無しさん@恐縮ですID:EvsDwGGH0
>>134
大量のアーティストが曲提供で関わってるからアンタッチャブルな組織になってるんだよな
それこそが、大量の児童レイプを分かっていながら存続させた元凶だな
原発問題と同じ、経済構造に組み込まれて大量の利害関係者がいるから
業界から排除できなくなってる
61名無しさん@恐縮ですID:uHsYN1XN02023/07/17(月) 10:06:35.11
最近、とみに「老害」という言葉を耳にするね。
これは以前なら「大人は…」という言葉に相当するんじゃね?
結局、若い人たちの文化的な発信力がしょぼくて
(デフレと少子化で彼らのせいばかりとはいえない)
不満の矛先が「老人」に向いているんじゃないかな。

老人たちに優越するものといえば、
「若さ」だけだから、ことさら遅く生まれてきたことにこだわる。
かなり悲惨な光景だな。

65名無しさん@恐縮ですID:FNgb9KLX0
>>61
老人と老害は違うよ
63名無しさん@恐縮ですID:VhUVSp1p02023/07/17(月) 10:12:52.18
故人だがジャニー喜多川を責めるよりも山下達郎責める構図はおかしいって
104名無しさん@恐縮ですID:VVmAgub60
>>63
山下達郎と小杉がやったことは
ジャニーズへの批判は業界の力で封じ込めるってことだから
ジャニー喜多川批判の一環だよ
山下達郎批判は
205名無しさん@恐縮ですID:+OwT3IWx0
>>104
封じ込めてないだろ?
松尾は元気に発信してるじゃないか
ジャニーズとの仕事はスマイルカンパニーにいてもできないだろう
むしろ山下夫妻がーって炎上させたので松尾の人間性に不信感を抱かれているかもしれないな
212名無しさん@恐縮ですID:3w1tpUSd0
>>205
児童への性加害者を尊敬してる
ミュージシャンて危なそうなんだが
それ言うなら
人間性疑われてるのは山下夫婦の方では?
213名無しさん@恐縮ですID:3w1tpUSd0
>>212
それ言うなら=山下夫妻がーって炎上させたと言うなら
258名無しさん@恐縮ですID:oZgyQe1j0
>>212
児童への性加害者を尊敬してる ?
ソースは?
285名無しさん@恐縮ですID:+OwT3IWx0
>>212
松尾にはお前みたいなのに山下達郎を攻撃させる意図があるわけよ
108名無しさん@恐縮ですID:2hKR9anl0
>>63
松尾潔氏SC契約解除問題で表面化…小杉家、山下家、藤島家“義理人情”の起点はジャニーズの“元長男”

「小杉家と山下家と藤島家は義理人情で長年、繋がっている」ことを挙げているが、3つの家の義理人情の関係性は、ジャニーズの“元長男”近藤真彦(58)をきっかけにスタートしているという。
(中略)
小杉氏は、1997年2月にジャニーズ事務所が設立したレコード会社『ジャニーズ・エンタテイメント』の取締役に就任。小杉氏はジュリーさんに帝王学を授けた間柄から、ジュリーさんからの信頼は特に厚かった。小杉氏はいわばジュリー氏の育ての親で、ジャニーさん、メリーさん亡き今、ジュリーさんの後見人的存在。両社は切っても切れない関係ため、

続く
https://news.yahoo.c…84a3922793bf1f289127

64名無しさん@恐縮ですID:LSN6TuRp02023/07/17(月) 10:14:55.05
世知辛いの意味から行くと…
67名無しさん@恐縮ですID:c40mXwCG02023/07/17(月) 10:22:17.66
瀧山あかねアナ、171センチの長身ビキニ姿で大胆すぎる美ボディを披露「いい身体」「マジですごい」
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69名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Kk5Eud5X02023/07/17(月) 10:22:50.11
リュウチェルにはネットリンチがーと言っている人たちの山下さんへのネットリンチが酷い
本来は同じなんだけどね
79名無しさん@恐縮ですID:cB1SUZno0
>>69
同じ事を思ってた
115名無しさん@恐縮ですID:EvsDwGGH0
>>69
悪質な企業への批判と、いわれのない個人への誹謗中傷は根本的に違うわ
山下達郎は悪質な企業の加担者だから厳しい批判に晒されて当然
70名無しさん@恐縮ですID:1zjJCb0m02023/07/17(月) 10:23:53.10
そもそも山下が松尾の提言による解雇を「憶測に基づく発言」が原因と発言したことが大問題!

憶測ではなく事実だからな。

それをもとに解雇したということはジャニに対する「忖度」が働いたとみずから言っているのと同義!

更に追い打ちでジャニ麗讃

もう、申し逃れできない忖度

更にその忖度だらけの己が嫌なら聴くな!!!!!

どう言い訳しようとジャニ擁護で救いようがない!!!!

80名無しさん@恐縮ですID:cB1SUZno0
>>70
もう見苦しいからやめたら?
82名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Kk5Eud5X0
>>70
ネットをやらない山下さんの芸能情報はテレビだろ
そのテレビがガン無視した文春の裁判を山下さんが知らなくても当たり前だね
あなたとスタートラインが違う人を違う物差しで批判しているようにしか見えん
87名無しさん@恐縮ですID:9G3D46gY0
>>82
その裁判を知った上での放送だぞ
88名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Kk5Eud5X0
>>87
本当に裁判を知っていたのかな?
告発者がいることとかBBCで放送したことは知っているとは思うが
133名無しさん@恐縮ですID:9G3D46gY0
>>88
時系列は
松尾契約解除>誰かに教えられて裁判を知る?>放送にて裁判は知らなかったと発言
つまり松尾が騒いでる時点では山下にとっては憶測による中傷に思えたっていう言い訳でそこまではいい
だが放送時点では実際に性犯罪が行われていた可能性があることは承知していたのにそこについては黙殺
105名無しさん@恐縮ですID:VVmAgub60
>>82
山下達郎はジャニーズ合宿所にも出入りする関係なんだよ
72名無しさん@恐縮ですID:FjtNNEhT02023/07/17(月) 10:24:25.10
山下「ジャニーさんは可愛い子は手元に置いて置く」
「デビューさせたがらない」
73名無しさん@恐縮ですID:1NMsdDLY02023/07/17(月) 10:24:44.66
お前らもう山下叩いてたこと忘れてそう
75名無しさん@恐縮ですID:V/jKNmWy02023/07/17(月) 10:25:43.42
山下批判はバカ発券機
78名無しさん@恐縮ですID:wzQAa6k+0
>>75
良いこと言う
117名無しさん@恐縮ですID:gGsVPXtA0
>>78
ダブルミーニング?
変換ミスなのか意図してなのか
85名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Kk5Eud5X0
>>75
惜しいな、正確にはアカ発見器
89名無しさん@恐縮ですID:JDQbPTJY0
>>85
山下批判はバカ発券機
アカ発見器
どちらも考えた人は賢いなぁとマジレス
113名無しさん@恐縮ですID:2hKR9anl0
>>75
>>89
山下擁護がそんなに偉いのか?ww
ズブズブなだけじやないかね?

「小杉家と山下家と藤島家は義理人情で長年、繋がっている」

小杉氏は、1997年2月にジャニーズ事務所が設立したレコード会社『ジャニーズ・エンタテイメント』の取締役に就任。

124名無しさん@恐縮ですID:VVmAgub60
>>113
小杉は「CIRCUS TOWN」を山下に録音させた人だからな
チャーリー・カレロを説得して
恩と縁があるのはまあその通り
76名無しさん@恐縮ですID:uHsYN1XN02023/07/17(月) 10:25:58.95
山下達郎は単なる老人じゃないのに「老害」と叩ける、という点が問題なんだろ。
81名無しさん@恐縮ですID:19+LWaG+02023/07/17(月) 10:35:13.48
沢田研二とか山下達郎とか老害が増えすぎてる
83名無しさん@恐縮ですID:8QMVqsXY02023/07/17(月) 10:38:30.44
闘争だからね正体晒しまくり
84名無しさん@恐縮ですID:5c7C0eIL02023/07/17(月) 10:39:11.49
そう(´・ω・`)
86名無しさん@恐縮ですID:t5umuWvZ02023/07/17(月) 10:39:48.02
山下達郎は少年レイプマンを尊敬してるだけ
90名無しさん@恐縮ですID:kZ79zZgr02023/07/17(月) 10:45:22.34
性被害を知らなかったとか白々しいこと言ってるからだろ
その上で批判する人は聞かなくていいとかトンチンカンな事言うからハァ?ってなる
上手く立ち回れないなら格好つけずに素直に黙っとけと
94名無しさん@恐縮ですID:+OwT3IWx0
>>90
知るわけないだろ、警察も動いてないし
自分と仕事をする売り出す予定か売れてるタレントに性加害はありましたか?って聞くのか?
91名無しさん@恐縮ですID:+OwT3IWx02023/07/17(月) 10:45:25.25
裁判って文春負けてるんだぞ
93名無しさん@恐縮ですID:l09uZ4+g02023/07/17(月) 10:46:33.55
遅れて来た FMラジオでいうてたんか
肩の力抜いて、好き勝手喋ってる感じのやつだろ
周りは非難するし、本人も今更意に介さない、くらいのところか

こっちでは日曜に放送してる だいたいの地域が日曜だろ
昨日? なんか言ってた?

95名無しさん@恐縮ですID:t5umuWvZ02023/07/17(月) 10:49:55.05
山下の作る歌は敬愛する喜多川へのメッセージ
96名無しさん@恐縮ですID:3GJd2/4J02023/07/17(月) 10:51:21.43
老害と言うか、「ウチの方針に文句言うヤツ」を切っただけ

それ以上でもそれ以下でもない

97名無しさん@恐縮ですID:EzbP03PH02023/07/17(月) 10:53:36.05
カネ儲けのために少年レイプ隠蔽
98名無しさん@恐縮ですID:PCodcnpE02023/07/17(月) 10:54:31.01
山下達郎に知っていただろうと疑う人は河野洋平さんの例もあるから気をつけて欲しい
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