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ホリエモンが巻き込まれた「味の素論争」に料理研究家・リュウジ氏も参戦「味の素を直感でイジめる人、確かに多すぎる」

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200名無しさん@恐縮ですID:7o+cOt1x02023/07/08(土) 18:24:20.77
自分が料理作ってたとき良い感じに仕上がったら味の素を入れるのを躊躇してしまう
「これ入れたら実力で旨く出来た意味が…」みたいな思考にはなる
204名無しさん@恐縮ですID:NlpCT5vr02023/07/08(土) 18:25:04.80
味の素過多で食ったら気持ち悪くなった身としては、たかが味の素だろ?ってのは参道できない
最終的に同じ味だろ?って意見でも、考えなしに入れるやつが同じ味にしあげるとも思ってない。牛の味で雄山が言ったような理論やな
214名無しさん@恐縮ですID:JXOPeiIW0
>>204
何でも使い過ぎりゃ気持ち悪くなる
それだけのこと
206名無しさん@恐縮ですID:C7DqcwmJ02023/07/08(土) 18:25:50.93
中華屋でバイトしてた時、味の素ふってたぞ
うちが働いてた中華屋では
230名無しさん@恐縮ですID:XQfXLpGg0
>>206
規定量を振ってるなら許容範囲
目分量でざっと入れるようなとこになってくると過剰で、人によっては美味しいを通り越して美味しくないと感じる

今カップ麺食べたんだが
昔からの定番品はそうでもないんだけど期間限定の新商品なんかは塩分少なめで化調多すぎてバランスが悪く感じる
まだ舌に後味が残ってる
期間限定だから継続して売れなくてもよく、スポット販売だから化調でコスト減らしてる感じ

207名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Oxi0uFph02023/07/08(土) 18:27:18.73
上で製法書かれてたから確認したくて味の素のページ行ったら
何故か昆布を浸してるイメージ画像

味の素®の原材料は何?製法は?安全なの? | 味の素株式会社
「味の素®」の主な原材料は、グルタミン酸ナトリウム (MSG)です。原料はさとうきび。さとうきびの糖蜜に発酵菌を入れ、醤油や味噌などを作る際と同じ発酵法で作られます。MSGは、食品衛生法に定められた膨大な安全性試験をすべてクリアしている、安全性の高い調味料です。

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ええと…昆布入ってませんよね?🤔

別にグルタミン酸ナトリウムがあらゆる料理や調味料にバンバン入ってるのは知ってるが
味の素の企業体質がなんとなく疑われるのってこういうところでは?
https://www.ajinomoto.co.jp/products/anzen/keyword/aji.html

216名無しさん@恐縮ですID:y8IF0aUt0
>>207
こういう変ないちゃもんつけるやべーヤツらが大量にいるんだから味の素や食品会社は大変だよな
220名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Oxi0uFph0
>>216
お前の頭のほうがヤバいと思うぞ
219名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Og501SG80
>>207
テキストではさとうきびと書いてるんだから
堂々とさとうきび使えばいいのにな

どうしても昆布から精製したように擦り込みたいのかね

276名無しさん@恐縮ですID:IRduP+uL0
>>219
なるほど
279名無しさん@恐縮ですID:IRduP+uL0
>>219すまん安価間違い

>>225
なるほど

225名無しさん@恐縮ですID:GScwurr20
>>207
グルタミン酸をグルタミン酸ナトリウムにする工程が不明

昆布の旨味は
グルタミン酸であって
グルタミン酸ナトリウムではない

317名無しさん@恐縮ですID:rdgCvjAC0
>>225
グルタミン酸とグルタミン酸ナトリウムを分けて考える理由がわからないんだが?

単純に言い換えると水に溶けた時に酸と塩基に分かれてその塩基がナトリウムだとダメなんか?

428名無しさん@恐縮ですID:GScwurr20
>>317
駄目だよ
260名無しさん@恐縮ですID:rdgCvjAC0
>>207
書き込み見て製法の説明かと思ったらグルタミン酸の説明のページじゃないか
グルタミン酸の説明なら昆布でええやろ
269名無しさん@恐縮ですID:IRduP+uL0
>>260
ちゃうで

Q. 味の素®の原材料は何?製法は?安全なの?

がテーマのページ
製法は?に対するA.はさとうきびです。
安全なの?に対するA.は昆布のグルタミン酸です。

ええやろとはならんかな
さとうきびの画像は貼らないのに使ってもない昆布貼るのはね

305名無しさん@恐縮ですID:rdgCvjAC0
>>269
まあ使う必要はないか
208名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Yq09kgxQ02023/07/08(土) 18:27:19.52
危険と言うつもりはないが、化調に頼ると味が均一化するんだよな
そして、すぐ飽きる
ずっと外食だと飽きるのも、この辺が大きいのかと思う
209名無しさん@恐縮ですID:XQfXLpGg02023/07/08(土) 18:27:34.13
《タイ旅行楽しそうですね ただ、タイの食材で野菜は農薬たっぷり お店の料理は味の素たっぷり入ってるのでお気をつけください お金持ちのタイ人は家で無化調の料理か外食なら日本料理食べてるみたいですよ》

この人は味の素全否定してるのではなく
過剰な味の素に頼った安い店を絶賛する貧乏舌のホリエモンをバカにしてる
それに腹を立てたホリエモンが、味の素全否定されたかのように返して
相手を味の素全否定論者かのような流れにした

そして味の素信者が発狂
現れてない敵に猛攻撃始めて、味の素の印象をさらに悪くしている

239名無しさん@恐縮ですID:XQfXLpGg0
>>229
嫌味のコメントだよ
ムキーってなってスルーできない
>>209に書いたけど、農薬「たっぷり」味の素「たっぷり」って事は
日本国内でも農薬は使ってるがタイはもっと残留してるって意味だから
味の素も日本よりたくさんという意味合い
味の素全否定ではない
249名無しさん@恐縮ですID:jP0ilT4d0
>>209
そもそもおかしいのが、お金持ちのタイ人が外食で日本食ばかり食べてるという部分

在タイの日本人の金持ちが外食は日本食ならわかるけど、
お金持ちのタイ人がなぜ日本食ばかり食べるの?

農薬と味の素がおおいのは事実だろうけど、
タイを素でバカにして、ホルホルが過ぎる

210名無しさん@恐縮ですID:sL3o5LKP02023/07/08(土) 18:27:44.31
手抜き料理をそこそこの味にしてくれる強い味方
211名無しさん@恐縮ですID:qtwnvpSy02023/07/08(土) 18:28:07.83
リュウジ信者だから誰がなんと言おうと味の素使う だって実際美味しくなるし
212名無しさん@恐縮ですID:QO/6uhnd02023/07/08(土) 18:28:17.71
味の素は、日本人が生み出した最高の発明品なんだぞ
なんで日本人がけなすんだよ
215名無しさん@恐縮ですID:7o+cOt1x02023/07/08(土) 18:29:03.09
カップ麺のスープとかに使われてるのはわかる
218名無しさん@恐縮ですID:U6BB0fcw02023/07/08(土) 18:29:48.17
旨くて体に害がなければなんでもいいけどなあ、めんどくせーわ
223名無しさん@恐縮ですID:mHX7WmtI02023/07/08(土) 18:31:04.09
味の素入れてある料理は「キンキン」という感じがあるなあ。
言葉にするのは難しいけど金属的で尖った味がする。
231名無しさん@恐縮ですID:dq8Sb2QR0
>>223
病気だな
ポテチや干物を食べて平気ならメンタルやられてる
232名無しさん@恐縮ですID:NlpCT5vr0
>>231
いやお前が味音痴やろ
251名無しさん@恐縮ですID:XQfXLpGg0
>>231
頭が悪いだけかと
何にでも入ってることを知らなくて、キンキン?な感じがしないものにも入ってると想像できない
個人個人のボーダーみたいなのはあって、それ超えると不快な感覚がある事はあるが
224名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Og501SG802023/07/08(土) 18:31:16.67
早速シュバってきててワロタ
味の素を過剰擁護してるやつは頭おかしい
237名無しさん@恐縮ですID:sZKlKzRj0
>>224
過剰擁護してる奴いるか?
味の素を目の敵にしてる奴が頭おかしいってのはあるけど
あれか?叩かないと過剰用語って認識なのかw
247名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Og501SG80
>>237
少なくとも207に反発してる奴が一人いる
226名無しさん@恐縮ですID:rdgCvjAC02023/07/08(土) 18:31:26.76
化学調味料を適量使いたい時に困るのが減塩醤油
出汁醤油とか減塩醤油は減らした塩分をうま味で補ってるから年寄り家庭で減塩醤油使ってたら注意して使用しないと
236名無しさん@恐縮ですID:JXOPeiIW0
>>226
減塩醤油は意味がないから買う必要がないなあ
健康志向の人が買うんだろうけども無駄だな
265名無しさん@恐縮ですID:rdgCvjAC0
>>236
例えば年寄りは醤油を少しつけるって概念がない
刺身とかに同じ量をつけるなら減塩を使ったほうが良い
271名無しさん@恐縮ですID:JXOPeiIW0
>>265
俺の親父がそうだw
血圧高いのに止められない
283名無しさん@恐縮ですID:XQfXLpGg0
>>271
うちも
塩サバ焼いたのとかにも、一口食べて味を見てから醤油かけるか、どのくらいかけるかを考えて欲しいのに
最初からドバドバかける
高血圧どころか腎臓も肝臓も悪くなってきてるのに改善してくれない
おかずじゃないもの(それで白米食べないもの)までしょっぱくないとダメで醤油ドバドバ
キッコーマンの搾りたて生醤油の容器が一滴事でるから良かったのに、リニューアルして勢いよく出るようになってしまってほんと困ってる
以前の力加減で二倍くらい出てしまう
298名無しさん@恐縮ですID:MHoXiwT00
>>283
うま味調味料で減塩できる

https://www.umamikyo.gr.jp/knowledge/katsuyou/img/saltdiet_img_03.png

304名無しさん@恐縮ですID:XQfXLpGg0
>>298
減塩しょうゆは口に合わないらしい
自分も普通の関東の醤油の方が好き
キッコーマンの醤油が好き
回転寿司でいろんな醤油置いてる店あるけど結局濃口
227名無しさん@恐縮ですID:7LLZWGRc02023/07/08(土) 18:31:59.70
味の素の案件やってるリュウジが参戦してもただの利害だから味方としては最悪やぞ
228名無しさん@恐縮ですID:JXOPeiIW02023/07/08(土) 18:32:14.06
味の素に頼り過ぎる料理人が悪いのに
何故か味の素を攻撃してたからな
229名無しさん@恐縮ですID:jP0ilT4d02023/07/08(土) 18:32:26.57
ホリエモンがいきなりいい始めたのなら、堀江がおかしいけど
ホリエモンがタイ旅行でタイの料理食べてるのに対するコメントが発端だろ

マジ農薬はともかく、味の素使ってるから注意してとか余計なお世話のコメントだと思うわ

239名無しさん@恐縮ですID:XQfXLpGg0
>>229
嫌味のコメントだよ
ムキーってなってスルーできない
>>209に書いたけど、農薬「たっぷり」味の素「たっぷり」って事は
日本国内でも農薬は使ってるがタイはもっと残留してるって意味だから
味の素も日本よりたくさんという意味合い
味の素全否定ではない
233名無しさん@恐縮ですID:y8IF0aUt02023/07/08(土) 18:33:23.97
ほらな
まーじで味の素は有害だと思ってるやべーヤツって大量にいるから怖いよ
こんなふうにあの手この手でケチつけくるから
235名無しさん@恐縮ですID:r5FfJhLf0
>>233
ID:y8IF0aUt0

イメージすり替えを指摘されたら
バカ「害はないのに!」

これは控えめに言ってガイジ

240名無しさん@恐縮ですID:y8IF0aUt0
>>235
ほらほら
こんなのがいっぱいおるんよ
243名無しさん@恐縮ですID:r5FfJhLf0
>>240
涙フケよガイジw
お前ほんとに知能低いね
238名無しさん@恐縮ですID:FmGjhlvD02023/07/08(土) 18:34:55.06
昭和の一時期にコスト面から石油由来の合成製法で作ってたこともあったので覚えてる年寄りには怪しい印象がこびり付いてるかも知れんな
241名無しさん@恐縮ですID:PjIeVfb602023/07/08(土) 18:36:07.05
味音痴ほど料理や素材にうるさいんだよな
246名無しさん@恐縮ですID:sZKlKzRj0
>>241
自分なりの価値観を持ってないと不安のあまり知識や権威で武装するとこあるよな
263名無しさん@恐縮ですID:PjIeVfb60
>>246
そうそう
ネットで得た知識にハマりすぎて極端な意見に染まりがち
たまには部屋から出ろと言いたいね
242名無しさん@恐縮ですID:fDAkUlDw02023/07/08(土) 18:36:16.19
味の素ってそんなに身体に悪いの?
244名無しさん@恐縮ですID:uki+dhNq02023/07/08(土) 18:37:01.82
なぜそんなに味の素求めるのか
245名無しさん@恐縮ですID:pmk45J0W02023/07/08(土) 18:37:08.36
池田菊苗(1864-1936) 帝国大学理科大学化学科卒業

現在、世界中で広く普及しているうま味調味料の発見者で、その成分はL-グルタミン酸ナトリウムであることを解明した。
幼少期より昆布のだしに関心を持ち、湯豆腐のだし汁昆布の研究に着手。
妻である貞を夜、昆布を乾物屋に買いに走らせ1907年(1908年[2])に約38 kgの昆布(約12kgの乾燥昆布[2])から煮汁をとり(菊苗は昆布を茹でるだけで昆布を刻んでいたのは妻の貞であった[3])、うま味の素であるL-グルタミン酸ナトリウム約30 gを得ることに成功。

253名無しさん@恐縮ですID:GScwurr20
>>245
旨味を捏造した奴
本来は不飽和脂肪酸などの脂が旨味だったのに
261名無しさん@恐縮ですID:pmk45J0W0
>>253
捏造された旨み成分が世界中で使われる訳ないだろ
アホですか
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