101名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:r54b8piX02023/06/30(金) 18:27:33.88
比例するって言ってる時点で頭悪くね？
相関関係ならともかく
178名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:OGsonY220
>>170
百歩譲って、そう言うこともあります
しかし、反比例を相関関係と言うこともありますね？
通常はこちらです
で、あなたは「反比例は逆相関と表す」と言っていますが
それなら、比例を相関関係と言っても良いですよね？
つまり、反比例＝逆相関、比例＝相関ですよね？
で、それを踏まえて>>101はどういう意味ですか？
敢えてあなたの言い方を真似て言えば頭悪くね？
184名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:r54b8piX0
>>178
何故100歩譲られたのか分からんのだけど
そもそも比例するって事は、読書量が2倍になれば年収も2倍になるって話なんですが、そんな訳ないと思いませんか
207名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:OGsonY220
>>184
＞何故100歩譲られたのか分からんのだけど
”そもそも反比例は相関関係とは普通言いません”
↑
これが明確に間違っているからです
逆相関（負相関）とは、あるデータの値が高ければ高いほど、もう一方のデータの値が
低くなる傾向があるときに使います
正相関とはあるデータの値が高ければ高いほど、もう一方のデータの値が
低くなる傾向があるときに使います
つまり、逆相関（負相関）を反比例というなら、正相関を比例と言うのは普通のことですよね？
216名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:r54b8piX0
>>207
傾きが違います
もう付き合わん、ググれ
220名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:OGsonY220
>>216
goo辞書によると
比例とは 二つのものが一定の関係をもつとき、一方の増減につれて他方も増減すること。
↑
普通はこの意味で使われます
二つの数量の比または積が定数であるという関係＝比例
↑
これは数学的な話の場合に限定して使われます
107名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:OGsonY220
>>101
君はどんな相関関係があると思ってるの？
比例するという相関関係があるんでしょ？
相関関係の意味わかってる？
反比例でも相関関係なんだよ？
136名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:r54b8piX0
>>107
そもそも反比例は相関関係とは普通言いません逆相関などと表現します
本何冊読んだら年収幾ら上がるのか証明出来るなら比例関係でもいいよ
155名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:OGsonY220
>>136
goo辞書によると、相関関係とは
１ 二つのものが密接にかかわり合い、一方が変化すれば他方も変化するような関係。
２ 数学で、一方が増加すると、他方が増加または減少する、二つの変量の関係。
＞そもそも反比例は相関関係とは普通言いません逆相関などと表現します
そもそも↑これを前提に考えたとすると
反比例＝逆相関なんですよね？
だったら、比例＝相関じゃないんですか？
170名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:r54b8piX0
>>155
相関関係で正の関係の時を相関、負の場合を逆相関と表現するのが一般的
正確を期すなら正の相関、負の相関などと言えばいい
比例は正比例と表現すべきでしょうか
178名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:OGsonY220
>>170
百歩譲って、そう言うこともあります
しかし、反比例を相関関係と言うこともありますね？
通常はこちらです
で、あなたは「反比例は逆相関と表す」と言っていますが
それなら、比例を相関関係と言っても良いですよね？
つまり、反比例＝逆相関、比例＝相関ですよね？
で、それを踏まえて>>101はどういう意味ですか？
敢えてあなたの言い方を真似て言えば頭悪くね？
184名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:r54b8piX0
>>178
何故100歩譲られたのか分からんのだけど
そもそも比例するって事は、読書量が2倍になれば年収も2倍になるって話なんですが、そんな訳ないと思いませんか
207名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:OGsonY220
>>184
＞何故100歩譲られたのか分からんのだけど
”そもそも反比例は相関関係とは普通言いません”
↑
これが明確に間違っているからです
逆相関（負相関）とは、あるデータの値が高ければ高いほど、もう一方のデータの値が
低くなる傾向があるときに使います
正相関とはあるデータの値が高ければ高いほど、もう一方のデータの値が
低くなる傾向があるときに使います
つまり、逆相関（負相関）を反比例というなら、正相関を比例と言うのは普通のことですよね？
216名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:r54b8piX0
>>207
傾きが違います
もう付き合わん、ググれ
220名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:OGsonY220
>>216
goo辞書によると
比例とは 二つのものが一定の関係をもつとき、一方の増減につれて他方も増減すること。
↑
普通はこの意味で使われます
二つの数量の比または積が定数であるという関係＝比例
↑
これは数学的な話の場合に限定して使われます
102名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:q56onCgP02023/06/30(金) 18:27:35.18
読書とちょっとずれるけど
中学の時担任が天声人語を猛プッシュしてたの今考えるとゾッとする
103名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:agZogz0102023/06/30(金) 18:27:57.07
小説の凶悪犯罪者は読書家なイメージ
104名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:rCKZWMFS02023/06/30(金) 18:28:12.98
ベストセラー小説を図書館に予約するも
借りる人多くて、2年後に読むってのを
テレビで見て、買えよとは思ったなぁ
106名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:DxhS6lo602023/06/30(金) 18:28:45.61
虚構を読んでるアホが何でドヤ顔できるのか意味わからん
簡単な英文も読めないバカは発言するなよ
109名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:gL1ow4ad0
>>106
110名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:S+itJKEv02023/06/30(金) 18:30:51.37
沢山読んだ結果ホームレスより猫なんて言っちゃうんじゃなんの効果もない証明だね
601名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:4ppFt+qO0
>>110
確か厚労省から注意受けたんだよな
111名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:TZi9hKcn02023/06/30(金) 18:31:28.60
なぜメンタルを鍛える本を読まない
113名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:kkZkCMlp02023/06/30(金) 18:32:12.59
狭いマンション暮らしだと本棚すら満足に置けないんだよな…
114名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:sFojuYud02023/06/30(金) 18:32:17.00
こいつの何がダサいかって
後ろに置いてある大量の本の前で動画がとってる所ねw
115名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:F/WRBFa402023/06/30(金) 18:32:23.71
読書量を誇るのもなどうかと想う
125名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Nb5k1YGl0
>>115
小林秀雄が読書量を口に出すやつは中身のないやつだと言ってたな
539名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:MY9H1qxT0
>>125
確かにね
会話の中でその人の読書量がはかれるから
自分は博識だから、どの国行っても先生ですか？といわれて困るわ
子供の頃から読書好きだから自然に歴史に詳しくなってるだけなんだけどね
744名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:MY9H1qxT0
>>539
そう
9割は10代までに読んだ本の量と質で決まると思う
勉強ばかりしてたから読書出来なかったは言い訳
本当に地頭いい人は高校時代に英語でシェイクスピアくらい読破してる
勿論東大もらくに入る
別に試験でも課題でもない
116名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ucnlPJSX02023/06/30(金) 18:32:49.89
松本とかめちゃ稼いでるけどなｗ お笑いでももうちょい読書した方がいいと思うが
118名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:k7n1okBi02023/06/30(金) 18:33:41.96
こういう集計→統計的検定 の論文とか読んで鵜呑みにするやつは総じてバカ
119名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ig06VOiz02023/06/30(金) 18:33:45.47
そう思いたいところだけど、俺は年収、240万円だけどめっちゃ読書家だよ。まぁ、ハリーポッターとかしか読まないからかな
536名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:MY9H1qxT0
>>119
ハリー・ポッター読んだくらいで読書家はないわ
120名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Qjnu6G9z02023/06/30(金) 18:34:08.31
出来るやつが元々読みたいから読んでるだけ
できないやつが、将来稼ぐためみたいな邪な目的で読んでも一緒
121名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:u+vuXB+O02023/06/30(金) 18:34:11.54
5chのスレ読んでるから
122名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:DxhS6lo602023/06/30(金) 18:34:34.00
どうせその中に専門書も技術書学術書もないだろうから
意味のない読書量
むしろ啓発本でバカになるまである
147名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:uYZO0cAl0
>>122
大谷翔平の読んでる本
井上雄彦『SLAM DUNK』
中村天風『運命を拓く』
カーネギー『富の福音』
スペンサー『チーズはどこへ消えた』
稲盛和夫『成功への情熱』
123名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Iwnc9dkk02023/06/30(金) 18:34:39.64
必ずしもそうはならないが本は教養の為にも読んだ方がいいよ
お前らのほとんどが実は年間一冊も読まないとかあるやろ
124名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:dQ3Ngt7h02023/06/30(金) 18:35:13.17
比例は言いすぎ
126名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:KNrOuepV02023/06/30(金) 18:36:00.79
本好きだから常になんか読んでるけど、無理して読むようなものでもないような
ただ、子供に小さい頃から本読ませとくと、本さえあれば病院とかでも静かに待ってくれるから便利だよ
128名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:QMJyXt1U02023/06/30(金) 18:36:18.56
カネは知らんが知性に相関はありそう
Twitterやインスタだけのやつは語彙がやべえ、きもい、うざいだし、下手したら長文読めない、書けない
129名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:/wbG6nG002023/06/30(金) 18:36:30.10
たくさん本読んで比例の意味すら分からないのか
130名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:/BrqZs9n02023/06/30(金) 18:36:34.14
林修がちくま学芸文庫や講談社学術文庫や岩波の白が何冊読んでるかが基準と言ってたがこれがファイナルアンサーよ
本と言ってもレベルの低い本は山ほどある
新書はひどいのはほんとにひどい
138名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:KNrOuepV0
>>130
そういうのもなあ
中高生の時、質が高い本読まないとと思ってヘッセとかドストエフスキーとか森鴎外とか読んだけど、特に面白くもなかったな
そんなん読むより好きなミステリーを思いっきり読めば良かった感ある
154名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:DC8tnD+00
>>138
ミステリーとか細かい伏線上手く練り込まれて、最後にきっちり回収した後に驚かせるから凄いと思うわ
純文学とか何が面白くて勉強になるのかさっぱりわからない
176名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Cm7bO98I0
>>154
志賀直哉は時間の無駄だった
なぜ彼が文豪扱いされてるのか今もわからない
文章がうまいというがわかりにくい表現もあちこちあるし、ストーリーも残念
250名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:u3bvvP1a0
>>176
太宰治の志賀直哉批判
普通の小説というものが、将棋だとするならば、あいつの書くものなどは、詰将棋である。
王手、王手で、そうして詰むにきまっている将棋である。旦那芸の典型である。
勝つか負けるかのおののきなどは、微塵みじんもない。
そうして、そののっぺら棒がご自慢らしいのだからおそれ入る。 （中略）
こういう作家は、いわゆる軍人精神みたいなものに満されているようである。
手加減しないとさっき言ったが、さすがに、この作家の「シンガポール陥落」の全文章をここに掲げるにしのびない。
阿呆の文章である。
東条でさえ、こんな無神経なことは書くまい。甚だ、奇怪なることを書いてある。
もうこの辺から、この作家は、駄目になっているらしい。 言うことはいくらでもある。
140名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:KjL9UtQU0
>>130
権威主義
131名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:2689XVr502023/06/30(金) 18:37:03.89
読書家が大嫌いです
脳内で話を膨らませて自己中で相手を思いやることのできない人の属性
高圧的で空きあらばマウントをする
相手にしたくないタイプ
174名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Cm7bO98I0
>>131
高校時代の現代文の教師が読書家。
学生にも多読を勧めてたがその教師はとにかく思想が凝り固まってて閉口させられた
世間の有名人を見ても多すぎる読書は思想を柔軟にするよりもむしろ偏屈にする効果があるように思う
知らず知らずのうちに好きな本ばかり読んじゃうからかな
132名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:zkharSrj02023/06/30(金) 18:37:04.08
牛丼並みには盛り上がらず
133名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:3JqmpDvX02023/06/30(金) 18:37:33.73
うちの自己啓発本大好き読書自慢する同僚は仕事出来ないよ
135名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Rx470q+f02023/06/30(金) 18:38:12.11
このスレのレス参考になるな
137名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:upy6zDP902023/06/30(金) 18:38:38.76
よし毎日リアル鬼ごっこを何度も読んでる俺は高収入ができるな
139名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:hOrnwEZ502023/06/30(金) 18:39:34.02
まだ居るんだ？このウンコ
141名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:bYSOgCIO02023/06/30(金) 18:39:43.88
家族共有出来ないから電子書籍は駄目って
絵本とかを子供に読んであげる家庭とかのことだよね？
本の感想をお互いに話せるくらいの年齢になったら電子書籍でいいと思うんだけど
紙媒体だと嵩張って邪魔なのよね
143名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:YiKChpMV02023/06/30(金) 18:40:39.58
本を沢山読んだ人の共通点
○アウトプットが出来ない
○場面より理屈が優先する
○人格が糞過ぎる
結果、努力が報われないから
バケモンみたいな人間に変身する
144名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:caG0ydm902023/06/30(金) 18:40:53.10
もうすぐ廃れるだろうけど、今はなろうでいいです
145名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ji+iZKpD02023/06/30(金) 18:41:02.58
何かを真剣に考える際に頭の中の微妙な思考を言語化するのに読書量が多いときっと役に立つと思って若い頃は沢山本を読んでたけど年齢と共に全然読まなくなって今は真剣に物を考ようという気すらないわ
168名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Nb5k1YGl0
>>145
悟りもその考え方に近い
「悟りを生きる」という本はワンネスの思考、自我の消滅に役立つよ
この本の良いところは普段の行動、口癖は変えなくていいと認めてるとこ
それは消費社会の中で周囲の理解を得ることはまず無理だから
150名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:PiTDVk020
>>145
句読点なくダラダラと長い文章なのに読みやすい！
151名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:XnmUPx/L0
>>145
本を読むことを目的にしてる時点でもう本末転倒なのよ
177名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:dHShqjf50
>>151
んなことない
歩くのが目的で歩いてても結果として健康になるのと同じ
146名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:CiQgjI6102023/06/30(金) 18:41:38.29
ダイゴさんみたいな大人にはしたくない……
148名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:rN1sFHwt02023/06/30(金) 18:42:15.91
小説なんかなんぼ読んでもしゃあないけどな
ワイもたいがい読んだけど
149名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:MOiokUi502023/06/30(金) 18:42:23.93
語彙や知識は増えるし感受性は豊かになるが、それで高収入仕事に結びつくかはまた別の話かと思うがw
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