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【夜ふかし】「日本人は餃子とご飯を一緒に食べる。餃子がかわいそう」台湾人が違和感を語ったあの餃子の食べかたは日本だけ?

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1muffin ★ID:fWSLwP7N92023/06/29(木) 13:57:19.13
https://fumumu.net/423552/
2023/06/27 18:00

台湾人が違和感を語ったあの餃子の食べかた。日本ではよく見かけますが…。

26日放送の『月曜から夜ふかし』(日本テレビ系)のインタビューでは、台湾人が語った「日本人の餃子の食べかた」が話題に。
そこでfumumu編集部では、実際に現地出身のかたに話を聞いてみました。

「川辺で個人的ニュースを聞いてみた件」と題した今回、番組では河川敷にいた台湾出身の女性二人にインタビューを実施。

来日7年目だという女性は「日本人は餃子とご飯を一緒に食べている」と日本では多くの人がやる食べかたについて「慣れない」とコメント。一方、来日4年目の女性は「台湾は餃子だけを食べるか、ご飯だけを食べる」そうで、「ふたつとも主食だから、一緒にはできない」と話し、調査していたスタッフを驚かせます。

「餃子として生まれてきて、でもおかずとして食べられるのが悲しい」と語る台湾人女性。「餃子がかわいそうじゃないですか…」と率直な意見を述べ、スタジオの笑いを誘いました。

放送後、この一幕に「私は日本に来て9年目、ようやく餃子と白米を一緒に食べられるようになった」「餃子とご飯の話、うちの台湾人母もよく言ってる」といった声が。そのほか「面白いなー餃子は主食なのか」「餃子がかわいそうは初めて聞いたな」といったコメントが続々と集まりました。

編集部では、この件について日本在住の台湾人・Airiさんに話を聞いてみました。

すると「やらないね!」「餃子は主食の一種でご飯と一緒に食べない(笑)」とやはりしないよう。餃子定食なども日本独特のもののようで、ご飯と食べないかわりに「台湾では一気に餃子を10個~20個頼んじゃう」と大量に頼むスタイルで満腹になるといいます。

また日本では餃子との組み合わせでビール…も人気ですが、台湾では「安い餃子専門店でサクッと食べるか、持ち帰りで食べるか」というスタイルが多いそうで「お酒を飲みながらはあまり多くないかも! あるはあるけど」とも話していました。

今回の放送には「餃子とご飯で食べるのはまあ日本だけよね…」「餃子がかわいそう(笑)確かに(笑)」と納得する声のほか「ご飯と一緒に食ったらうまいぜえ」と推奨する声も見受けられます。

★1:2023/06/28(水) 22:14:35.84
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353名無しさん@恐縮ですID:9xi5lKPv0
>>1
日本の焼き餃子と中国の水餃子は全く別物
そして中国の焼き餃子と日本の焼き餃子も全くの別物
日本の焼き餃子はすでに日本料理
530名無しさん@恐縮ですID:MkgziEMS0
>>353
だ罠。
似ているだけで違う料理だから誤解している。
354名無しさん@恐縮ですID:u8RXsJbM0
>>1
皮の厚み云々を分かっていないモノ知らず台湾人に対してマウンティングいい気分させる為の企画かw
357名無しさん@恐縮ですID:P/K2ihdg0
>>1
餃子を食うのには、酢醤油をつける
酢醤油つけた餃子を口に入れながら、ご飯も口に入れると餃子すし飯が口の中で出来る
これが旨いのよ
936名無しさん@恐縮ですID:/r1Z583w0
>>1 カレーうどんの器の底にとろろ飯まで敷いちゃう日本人のなんと多いことか

>>778
たぬきむすび
何もかも懐かしいな

425名無しさん@恐縮ですID:oYFVx3pL0
>>1
そうか、なら慰めてやれ、餃子を
330名無しさん@恐縮ですID:9pz1Ohik0
>>1
もちもち厚皮の饅頭みたいな餃子が
ご飯と合うかと言われれば、それは分かる(´・ω・`)
973名無しさん@恐縮ですID:qVCUvaUk0
>>1
同意
餃子とご飯を同時に食べるのは
いかがなものか
15名無しさん@恐縮ですID:EDlQOj5I0
>>1
餃子の気持ちが分かるん?
976名無しさん@恐縮ですID:w3F1TMWu0
>>1
日本人でも同じ感じの人たちがいるから安心して、と
242名無しさん@恐縮ですID:uWt85yka0
>>1
日本でいう餃子はいわゆる焼き餃子だからな。
本来の餃子、日本でいう水餃子ならご飯のおかずにはしない。
562名無しさん@恐縮ですID:4knk4Ah/0
>>1
日本名物、「◯◯は日本だけ」という落としデマ
152名無しさん@恐縮ですID:x94h5eFQ0
>>1
噂によると日本人はご飯をおかずにご飯を食うことすらあるらしい
154名無しさん@恐縮ですID:rNRx3myS0
>>152
おかゆライスですがよろしいですか
374名無しさん@恐縮ですID:NxGI5KTo0
>>154
お兄様は墜落しました
481名無しさん@恐縮ですID:RNSkILeS0
>>374
堕落は糾える縄の如し
167名無しさん@恐縮ですID:WhNm9C3s0
>>152
キリタンポとか?
825名無しさん@恐縮ですID:EbQadVKG0
>>1
台湾の餃子って、するって食える水餃子だろう?
日本人がご飯のおかずにしてるのは色が濃くてラー油とかも付ける焼き餃子だから
539名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ig6t16dt0
>>1
茹でないで焼くから油分と香ばしさがプラスされて、肉料理のカツレツのようになるからまあ…メシが進むんだよね。台湾の人が同じことをする必要は全くないのに。弁当や定食で出てくるのかね
575名無しさん@恐縮ですID:9cs1g35V0
>>541
許さん日本人もいるだろ
それが>>1と同じ人種よ
2名無しさん@恐縮ですID:aC+5qEy/02023/06/29(木) 13:58:25.73
夜ふかし相変わらずしょうもない
67名無しさん@恐縮ですID:TiFV7f070
>>2
深夜帯の時点でネタ切れしてるのにまだ続けるのが不思議でしょうがない
3名無しさん@恐縮ですID:tRKQeep802023/06/29(木) 13:58:52.57
普通に台湾で餃子とご飯の定食ってあったが
44名無しさん@恐縮ですID:whejDkqA0
>>3
そりゃ日式としておいてあるだろ
日本でカリフォルニアロール出す店があるのと同じ
4名無しさん@恐縮ですID:rNRx3myS02023/06/29(木) 13:59:39.07
日本の餃子の皮は薄いから
皮を食う中華圏とは違う
114名無しさん@恐縮ですID:16CYFzVD0
>>4
そうそう
焼き餃子は日本独自に発展した「餡が崩れない程度の薄い皮」だから向こうの餃子とは違うよね
中国の焼き餃子(コーテイ)は余った水餃子を翌日無駄にせず焼いて食べるというのが起源だからやはり皮は厚い
向こうの人が「餃子で米を食う」と言われた時のイメージは日本人の感覚に翻訳すれば「肉まんでメシを食う」みたいなものだから驚くのは当然
598名無しさん@恐縮ですID:fAYwATxs0
>>114
王将でコーテイって言ってるのはそのことか
601名無しさん@恐縮ですID:cT9Ih6c+0
>>598
いや、「ギョウザは食べ物の王様、キングオブキングス」=「ギョウザは食べ物の皇帝」が語源だよ
613名無しさん@恐縮ですID:u9lCUzrL0
>>598
王将はコーテルだ
826名無しさん@恐縮ですID:RYmXdTFB0
>>4
向こうはもちもちの水餃子だもんね
薄皮の焼き餃子じゃない
でも焼き餃子でも具が少ないとおかずとしてはさみしいな
5名無しさん@恐縮ですID:tNQjgFML02023/06/29(木) 14:00:38.93
やかましいわ
日本じゃご飯と一緒にラーメンやお好み焼き食うんだよ
24名無しさん@恐縮ですID:2knxuLsz0
>>5
それは田舎だけ
東京では食わない
32名無しさん@恐縮ですID:cfnO5mss0
>>24
半チャンラーメンの元祖と言われる店は東京にあったの知らないか
だいぶ前に店主死去で閉まっちゃったけどね
750名無しさん@恐縮ですID:7Jaci9kG0
>>32
神保町?
573名無しさん@恐縮ですID:mmzAzoS60
というか>>24は東京に幻想持ってる田舎の人
東京なんて雑多な人の吹き溜まりって事も知らない人はいるものだ
570名無しさん@恐縮ですID:9cs1g35V0
>>24
むしろ東京が随一だろ
ラーメンライス・炒飯や
そばにおにぎりやいなりで食べてるのは
125名無しさん@恐縮ですID:WhNm9C3s0
>>24
食うだろ
東京は関東人ばかりと思ってるかもしれんけど
かなり西の人間の割合高いぞ
139名無しさん@恐縮ですID:JqkVqoFp0
>>125
ソレな
エセ東京人が東京じゃ食わないてうるさいんだよ
こんだけ話題になれば、そばめしも、お好み焼きでご飯も食べた事あるっての
70名無しさん@恐縮ですID:OunRZ3i00
>>24
東京でも焼きそばライスとか食うけどどこのカッペやねん
26名無しさん@恐縮ですID:UO+Ass860
>>24
東京にラーメンライスが無いと思ってんのか田舎者w
109名無しさん@恐縮ですID:7414vh5n0
>>24
ラーメンライスはあるが
やっぱお好み焼き定食はみねーよなw
133名無しさん@恐縮ですID:rNRx3myS0
>>109
関東でも関西人がやってるお好み焼き屋にはお好み焼き定食あるよ
140名無しさん@恐縮ですID:7414vh5n0
>>133
なるほど、んでやっぱこれだよになるのか。

でも屋台だとお好み焼きに白飯セットとか
見ないよね?関西だとあるんけ?

6名無しさん@恐縮ですID:HN8PTjOz02023/06/29(木) 14:00:50.69
そもそも中国や台湾の餃子と日本の餃子はほぼ別物なんやからそこから理解しないと
955名無しさん@恐縮ですID:utY1haMv0
>>6
向こうからしたら焼いて食うのもかわいそう、だと思う
7名無しさん@恐縮ですID:WhNm9C3s02023/06/29(木) 14:00:51.21
餃子とご飯もいいし餃子とビールもいい
604名無しさん@恐縮ですID:gyu5f2F60
>>7
米も日本と台湾じゃ雲泥の差だもんな。米自体美味い。餃子も薄皮で美味い。合わないはずがない
8名無しさん@恐縮ですID:HN8PTjOz02023/06/29(木) 14:01:56.88
餃子の皮の厚さの違い

中国&台湾の餃子=日本の餃子の3倍

9名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Fn9ApnLR02023/06/29(木) 14:02:05.56
ハンバーガーをオカズに米を食うみたいな感覚か?
餃子は皮が薄いから十分オカズになるだろ
10名無しさん@恐縮ですID:tsVKNPMa02023/06/29(木) 14:02:30.51
われわれはべつに巻き寿司に衣をつけて油で揚げたり
チリソースたっぷりかけたにぎり寿司とか否定はしないよ。

ただ、自分はたべないけど。

11名無しさん@恐縮ですID:UO+Ass8602023/06/29(木) 14:02:46.23
ご飯の上にコロッケが乗ってるだけの弁当を食う民族を舐めんなよ
焼きそばパンもあるぞ
12名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ZxtUrUKs02023/06/29(木) 14:03:31.43
俺はスパゲティおかずに白米を食うぞ
41名無しさん@恐縮ですID:D3KqxBrS0
>>12
自分もたまに食べる
夕飯にパスタ+100gのご飯
ご飯食べないと夜中にお腹すいてくる
153名無しさん@恐縮ですID:87bFuEL80
>>41
完全に糖質中毒
220名無しさん@恐縮ですID:L28I2p0C0
>>41
それ食べ過ぎなだけ
量を減らして胃を小さくしなよ
298名無しさん@恐縮ですID:D3KqxBrS0
>>220
普段の夕飯は100gのご飯とお味噌汁と納豆と少しのおかずしか食べてないので大丈夫です^^
137名無しさん@恐縮ですID:IfdbcRqZ0
>>12
何スパゲティかによるな。
ナポリタンとかならいいけど、カルボナーラみたいなのはちょっと合わないわ
869名無しさん@恐縮ですID:UsTBMhC60
>>12
焼きそばとご飯も美味いよな
どっちもパンでもいけるな
昔知り合いの関西人は茶粥をのせたご飯を食べてたな
621名無しさん@恐縮ですID:vx+0lGQK0
>>12
横浜の老舗洋食店『センターグリル』のスパランチ最強
13名無しさん@恐縮ですID:6Bkg+5cW02023/06/29(木) 14:03:38.29
おれも香港行ったときチャーハンとギョーザ注文しだら、怪訝な顔をされた
日本でチャーハンとご飯を注文するようなもんなんだろな
14名無しさん@恐縮ですID:HvL9wrRv02023/06/29(木) 14:03:59.91
小籠包が台湾ギョーザ
16名無しさん@恐縮ですID:6TVCkEKc02023/06/29(木) 14:04:11.56
ラーメンとライスとかうどんとお稲荷さんとか
17名無しさん@恐縮ですID:7KHpqdNU02023/06/29(木) 14:04:12.78
よし俺がこの子に日本の食文化を叩き込んでやる

だから結婚してください

18名無しさん@恐縮ですID:BwIGelFr02023/06/29(木) 14:04:23.72
日本の餃子はウチの国の餃子とは違うんだなってならないのか
馬鹿でも生きていけるんだな
20名無しさん@恐縮ですID:YpAF2HUN02023/06/29(木) 14:05:40.54
この話あきたわ
21名無しさん@恐縮ですID:UnwhMERr02023/06/29(木) 14:05:41.14
(´・ω・`)餃子は肉、主食ではない。
22名無しさん@恐縮ですID:TVPWIO1G02023/06/29(木) 14:06:02.00
そもそも焼かないだろ
向こうは基本
23名無しさん@恐縮ですID:bghRIV4m02023/06/29(木) 14:07:09.60
要はたこ焼きとご飯一緒に食ってるような感覚なんだろ
74名無しさん@恐縮ですID:GzEhPx040
>>23
白ごはん、明石焼き、味噌汁、たくあんの明石焼き定食なら食べた(´・ω・`)
468名無しさん@恐縮ですID:HOdwpsOP0
>>23
たこ焼きはおやつ感覚が強いので主食同士と言うならお好み焼きかな
自分はどっちでもご飯OKだけどw
25名無しさん@恐縮ですID:F5JsATGV02023/06/29(木) 14:07:58.31
向こうの餃子って水餃子じゃん
27名無しさん@恐縮ですID:jzt2Dv9c02023/06/29(木) 14:08:28.22
台湾人はおいしい食べ方を知らないのさ
28名無しさん@恐縮ですID:+z0H8O2X02023/06/29(木) 14:09:31.15
ピザ感覚で考えればいいのか?
29名無しさん@恐縮ですID:LbM9N/7802023/06/29(木) 14:09:36.75
餃子ご飯馬鹿にされる嫌なら餃子の具だけ焼いたのにすれば?
30名無しさん@恐縮ですID:RtDvOu9R02023/06/29(木) 14:09:58.55
焼売弁当
とかも邪道
31名無しさん@恐縮ですID:rKy+EvLN02023/06/29(木) 14:10:17.38
餃子のタネって米にくるまってるわけじゃないでしょ
この理屈で言うと天ぷらも唐揚げもご飯と一緒に食べたら可哀想という事にならないか
言ってる事おかしいよ論破やな
33名無しさん@恐縮ですID:q1fZQy/S02023/06/29(木) 14:10:24.38
あちらでは水餃子が基本だっけ?
34名無しさん@恐縮ですID:jzt2Dv9c02023/06/29(木) 14:11:34.67
日本は、色々なものを少しづつ食べる文化
35名無しさん@恐縮ですID:x6Fys3EU02023/06/29(木) 14:12:11.12
そんなの序の口だろう
日本人はカレーと一緒にライスを食べる
36名無しさん@恐縮ですID:lHBZvMkJ02023/06/29(木) 14:12:23.59
ラーメンライス
たぬき丼定食
グラコロ

「お好み焼き定食なんか信じれない」

37名無しさん@恐縮ですID:lie+aTGm02023/06/29(木) 14:12:47.63
台湾ではそうなんだろうが日本人はそうじゃないってことで
38名無しさん@恐縮ですID:va9lY/qy02023/06/29(木) 14:12:47.64
最近よくみるマントゥとかいう韓国餃子美味いのかな
102名無しさん@恐縮ですID:tYxIZ2Hb0
>>38
韓国のマンドゥ(饅頭)昔は中国と同じく分厚い皮だったけれど、欧米での日本餃子人気に嫉妬したのか今は皮の厚さが格段に薄くなっている

具材も昔は挽肉少々だったか今は肉増し、全体で日本に寄せているのでタレ次第で普通に食える

107名無しさん@恐縮ですID:5RYpvEAS0
>>102
韓国って何でも謎の起源説を主張するよな
そのうち餃子まで韓国起源って設定にしそうよな
39名無しさん@恐縮ですID:qOTMaiBv02023/06/29(木) 14:12:48.72
炭水化物×炭水化物は和食の真髄
40名無しさん@恐縮ですID:NByxs+2J02023/06/29(木) 14:12:55.87
焼売もご飯と一緒に食べるのに
向こうは焼き餃子で食べないのかな
42名無しさん@恐縮ですID:6uAbQM1l02023/06/29(木) 14:13:04.03
台湾にも焼餃子(鍋貼)はあるけど
日本の餃子とは1個1個のデカさが違う
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/p/AF1QipP7kei8H1qQdhwjAEndfMz-DIEKaPTn0wrvEETm=s1360-w1360-h1020
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/p/AF1QipP7kei8H1qQdhwjAEndfMz-DIEKaPTn0wrvEETm=s1360-w1360-h1020
387名無しさん@恐縮ですID:J7W/Ac/60
>>42
こりゃこれだけでお腹いっぱいになるわ
766名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ZymGf6lz0
>>42
本場の人がやっている中華や台湾料理店は、棒状のが出てくるね
43名無しさん@恐縮ですID:R5+NOJDe02023/06/29(木) 14:13:11.95
関西人以外がお好み焼きで米食ってるのを見た感じか
45名無しさん@恐縮ですID:pBkOUclu02023/06/29(木) 14:14:05.50
餃子にはビール
46名無しさん@恐縮ですID:6uAbQM1l02023/06/29(木) 14:14:13.38
肉まんをオカズに白米食べてるみたいな感じに見えるのかもしれないな
260名無しさん@恐縮ですID:L1g2BBLA0
>>46
肉まん2つじゃ足りないし3つ食いたいとは思わないからおにぎりも食うな
でもパンと米は一緒に食えないな
パンなら5個くらい食えるし
47名無しさん@恐縮ですID:SiR4/yw702023/06/29(木) 14:14:15.53
全てのおかずは米を食う為に存在しているのだ
48名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Oii4vV1S02023/06/29(木) 14:14:31.01
台湾の米がクソ不味いだけでは?
49名無しさん@恐縮ですID:5RYpvEAS02023/06/29(木) 14:14:45.11
そもそも日本だけ水餃子じゃなく焼き餃子が普及したのは
闇市で食ったすいとんに水餃子が似ているせいだろうな
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