250名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:kkhgMp0c02023/06/24(土) 11:57:38.73
カーテンで何億円も払ってるの面白いね
そういうことするくらいなら、ミュージシャンにタダでドームを開放すればいいのに
一組３０分位で１日２０組とか
売れないミュージシャンでもドームでやったと箔が付く
一組１００人連れてきたら２０００人入で、入場料３千円なら６００万の収入か
そんなに入らないかな・・・・
そういうことするくらいなら、ミュージシャンにタダでドームを開放すればいいのに
一組３０分位で１日２０組とか
売れないミュージシャンでもドームでやったと箔が付く
一組１００人連れてきたら２０００人入で、入場料３千円なら６００万の収入か
そんなに入らないかな・・・・
252名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:cxtQPhsv02023/06/24(土) 11:58:42.86
公共施設なんだからある程度赤字でもしょうがないだろ
これがダメなら日本全国にあるやきう場なんてほとんど赤字なんだからそれも潰せよ
これがダメなら日本全国にあるやきう場なんてほとんど赤字なんだからそれも潰せよ
257名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:kX6Hndh20
>>252
第三セクターやぞ
第三セクターやぞ
303名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:2UeGZbHq0
>>252
札幌ドームはWカップために作られた
札幌ドームはWカップために作られた
税リーグ専門スタジアムとか公共施設ですらない
そっちとか存在事態が不要だな
253名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:NtDtSFmS02023/06/24(土) 11:58:54.72
エスコンも失敗する！(願望)どっちもどっち！(願望)
261名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:cBaN+H0M0
>>253
札ドは生き残りそうだけど、エスコンは最悪日ハムにも捨てられて巨大な粗大ゴミになりそう
札ドは生き残りそうだけど、エスコンは最悪日ハムにも捨てられて巨大な粗大ゴミになりそう
267名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:kX6Hndh20
>>261
今日のあたおかか？
話が全然理解出来てない
もしかして市長？
今日のあたおかか？
話が全然理解出来てない
もしかして市長？
258名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:bwmVvbTp02023/06/24(土) 11:59:57.73
東京ならともかく札幌で二万人動員とか厳しいよな？
259名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:w8jL1lJk02023/06/24(土) 12:00:10.33
初年度の予測が既に破綻してるのに
来年以降利益出して黒字転換するって計画は上手くいくと思えるのはなぜなんだ？
来年以降利益出して黒字転換するって計画は上手くいくと思えるのはなぜなんだ？
520名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:o1YrH16g0
>>259
初めに試算出した人がその年度に人事異動でいなくなるから適当でいいとか書かれてたけど割と当たってるかもしれん
初めに試算出した人がその年度に人事異動でいなくなるから適当でいいとか書かれてたけど割と当たってるかもしれん
265名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:q0MkKDzX0
>>259
この手の施設で役人が立てた計画はほとんどダメだからな
最初に結論ありきで如何にそこに近づけるアイディア出すかが彼らの文学だから
この手の施設で役人が立てた計画はほとんどダメだからな
最初に結論ありきで如何にそこに近づけるアイディア出すかが彼らの文学だから
773名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ol/JcFDv0
>>259
最終利益ありきの予算計画なんだからえんぴつなめなめでどうにでもなる
最終利益ありきの予算計画なんだからえんぴつなめなめでどうにでもなる
263名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:kkhgMp0c0
>>259
ダメだとわかっててもそういう書類つくらないと予算が通らないんじゃないのか？
ダメだとわかっててもそういう書類つくらないと予算が通らないんじゃないのか？
262名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:iKeGBgLZ02023/06/24(土) 12:01:02.63
貧乏くっさｗｗｗｗｗｗｗ
北海道コンサドーレ札幌公式
@consaofficial
そして今回が初の試み！南側テラスにもキッチンカーが６台出店中🤤こちらも是非お越しください
264名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Bdo83V/i02023/06/24(土) 12:01:37.05
コンサドーレも札幌ドームは使用料高いし野球場の形状してるから歪で臨場感ないし本当は出ていきたいやろ
328名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:CyXjnNWr0
>>264
自分で建てて出ていけばいいんじゃね
なにせ世界で人気だからマネタイズも楽勝でしょう
自分で建てて出ていけばいいんじゃね
なにせ世界で人気だからマネタイズも楽勝でしょう
335名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:UcoYtqXS0
>>328
ハムが金出してあげれば？
メリットあるか知らんけど
ハムが金出してあげれば？
メリットあるか知らんけど
343名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:CyXjnNWr0
>>335
なぜハムが金を出すんだ？
なぜハムが金を出すんだ？
266名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Hpdv4MJ+02023/06/24(土) 12:02:11.19
半分に区切ってスタンドが小さい側を使うより（赤色）
スタンドが大きい側をV字に区切る（黄色）方がアンフィシアターみたいた風になって使い勝手よかったと思う。
スタンドが大きい側をV字に区切る（黄色）方がアンフィシアターみたいた風になって使い勝手よかったと思う。
269名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:7tQqLkSg02023/06/24(土) 12:03:25.57
コンサと札幌ドームのお笑い芸人っぷりにみんなが笑うと憎んでることにされるらしいな
296名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:1RnxMtwa0
>>269
コンサは悪くなくね？
金がないからドームとハムの交渉に身を任せるしかない
ハムの負担を一部引き受けますなんてケチとか以前に不可能なんだから
コンサは悪くなくね？
金がないからドームとハムの交渉に身を任せるしかない
ハムの負担を一部引き受けますなんてケチとか以前に不可能なんだから
コンササポはハム叩いてるイメージだけどドームは叩かんの？
むしろドームのせいでハムの甘い汁を吸えなくなったのだから
304名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:UcoYtqXS0
>>296
日ハムファンはコンサのことなんか気にしていないと言いながら、恨み骨髄でコンサ嫌いが書き込みに滲み出ちゃうのが面白いんだわw
日ハムファンはコンサのことなんか気にしていないと言いながら、恨み骨髄でコンサ嫌いが書き込みに滲み出ちゃうのが面白いんだわw
313名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:LlP48+Zh0
>>304
税金ありきのプロスポーツ経営なんてまともな神経してたら嫌われて当然
税金ありきのプロスポーツ経営なんてまともな神経してたら嫌われて当然
322名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:UcoYtqXS0
>>313
そういうふうに正直に嫌いって言っちゃえばいいのにね
気にしてないって装いながらめちゃくちゃ書き込んでるのが滑稽なんだわ
そういうふうに正直に嫌いって言っちゃえばいいのにね
気にしてないって装いながらめちゃくちゃ書き込んでるのが滑稽なんだわ
331名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:LlP48+Zh0
>>322
このスレに来てる時点で嫌ってるのが大半だろ
お前さんはただそれを煽りたいだけにしか見えんわ
このスレに来てる時点で嫌ってるのが大半だろ
お前さんはただそれを煽りたいだけにしか見えんわ
336名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:UcoYtqXS0
>>331
正直に嫌いって言えばかわいいのに、気にしてないってポジションを装ってメチャクチャ叩いてるの、おもしろくね？
正直に嫌いって言えばかわいいのに、気にしてないってポジションを装ってメチャクチャ叩いてるの、おもしろくね？
342名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:LlP48+Zh0
>>336
気にしてないって言ってるならシュールだな
俺は大嫌いだから今後とも叩き続けるけど
なんせ税金納める側なんでね
気にしてないって言ってるならシュールだな
俺は大嫌いだから今後とも叩き続けるけど
なんせ税金納める側なんでね
360名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:UcoYtqXS0
>>342
そうそう
嫌いって宣言してめちゃくちゃ叩くのはいいんじゃね
そうそう
嫌いって宣言してめちゃくちゃ叩くのはいいんじゃね
351名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:XGczlK9f0
>>342
今後5年累計だと黒字の見込みだから
今後5年累計だと黒字の見込みだから
353名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:xfjT4yYU0
>>351
合計９００万円なｗ
合計９００万円なｗ
446名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:LlP48+Zh0
>>353
こんなん草生えるわ
こんなん草生えるわ
320名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:La5Qyrba0
>>296
札ドの使用料も待遇も、他のプロ野球本拠地とは大して変わらんけどね
コンササポが叩いてると言うより、札ド相手にゴネて逆ギレ移転した挙句にガラガラ球場作って自爆した日ハムを笑ってるだけでしょ
札ドの使用料も待遇も、他のプロ野球本拠地とは大して変わらんけどね
コンササポが叩いてると言うより、札ド相手にゴネて逆ギレ移転した挙句にガラガラ球場作って自爆した日ハムを笑ってるだけでしょ
329名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:LlP48+Zh0
>>320
ほーん、で？他と大して変わらないのソースは？
ほーん、で？他と大して変わらないのソースは？
365名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:2UeGZbHq0
>>329
他と変わらんとか言ってる時点でボッタクリなんだよ
他と変わらんとか言ってる時点でボッタクリなんだよ
地価が他と比べるとゴミな場所
東京ドーム 神宮と比べて1/100
横浜スタジアムと比べて1/10
甲子園でも1/10
東京ドーム比較で1/2が適正価格
316名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:BFGZzhYi0
>>296
ドームが野球にしか頼れない構造になってしまったのは、イマイチ人気が伸びず未だに利用料も払えない奴らに責任があるやろ
ドームが野球にしか頼れない構造になってしまったのは、イマイチ人気が伸びず未だに利用料も払えない奴らに責任があるやろ
271名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:UcoYtqXS02023/06/24(土) 12:04:11.82
エスコンはあとはアクセスだけだよね
見切り発車は仕方ないけど早く整備しないと
見切り発車は仕方ないけど早く整備しないと
274名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:NuT1L68z02023/06/24(土) 12:05:12.84
新モードっていうネーミングがニ線級を感じさせて無理
アーティストが使うにはオシャレ感が大事なのよ
アーティストが使うにはオシャレ感が大事なのよ
282名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:aOpkrhRx0
>>274
ステージの背後が黒幕ってのもね
ステージの背後が黒幕ってのもね
観客はコンサートの間ずっと、「この黒幕の裏はガラガラの客席なんだな、このアーティストではあそこを埋められないんだな」
と思い続けることになる
せめて客席の背後が黒幕ならアーティストに集中できるのにね
307名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Hpdv4MJ+0
>>282
というか今の幕の位置ならスタンドを隠してるだけだから、
全く要らないと思う。完全に半分に区切るならともかく。
結局ステージもそれなりに広くしないと行けないからアリーツアー仕様のステージではみすぼらしすぎる。
というか今の幕の位置ならスタンドを隠してるだけだから、
全く要らないと思う。完全に半分に区切るならともかく。
結局ステージもそれなりに広くしないと行けないからアリーツアー仕様のステージではみすぼらしすぎる。
284名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:kX6Hndh20
>>274
負け犬モードとか？
ロックな感じしない？
負け犬モードとか？
ロックな感じしない？
299名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:hRynOH2S0
>>284
四分割くらいで同時貸し出しにしてさ
ガラッガラのロックの横で
子供向けのショーが大成功だと負け犬感マックスで良さげ
四分割くらいで同時貸し出しにしてさ
ガラッガラのロックの横で
子供向けのショーが大成功だと負け犬感マックスで良さげ
275名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Bdo83V/i02023/06/24(土) 12:05:22.99
結局コンサドーレが全てにおいて足を引っ張ってたと思うわ
わざわざ天然芝出し入れしないといけないし出し入れの際に支障でるから野球の人工芝も薄いままやったし
287名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:LlP48+Zh0
>>275
それでも払ってる額が妥当ならな
誰も文句は言わなかった
実際は日ハムいびってコンサを蝶よ花よと酷い扱いの格差
まあこうなる事は自明だわ
それでも払ってる額が妥当ならな
誰も文句は言わなかった
実際は日ハムいびってコンサを蝶よ花よと酷い扱いの格差
まあこうなる事は自明だわ
プロスポーツはちゃんと自分でケツを持ってダメなら潔く散りましょう
地域の血税目当ての経営は不健康過ぎるのでやめましょうってこった
277名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:CyXjnNWr02023/06/24(土) 12:06:23.18
世界で人気のサッカーが払ってくれるんじゃなかったの？
ダゾーンマネー（笑）でさ
ダゾーンマネー（笑）でさ
278名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:82b/VuV702023/06/24(土) 12:06:26.96
寄生できないとこんなもんさ
279名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:JKrCAOjy02023/06/24(土) 12:06:55.93
そもそもエスコンは日ハムの動員平均1万人だったとしても余裕で黒字になる
暗幕垂れの新モード(笑)で応募0人の札幌ドームとは何もかもが違う
暗幕垂れの新モード(笑)で応募0人の札幌ドームとは何もかもが違う
281名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:w8jL1lJk02023/06/24(土) 12:08:19.95
コンサドーレもこんな騒動に巻き込まれた被害者だろ
別に何か悪い事したわけでもないのに札幌ドームとセットで晒されて
別に何か悪い事したわけでもないのに札幌ドームとセットで晒されて
288名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:lunf8Sx10
>>281
4者会議でこの寄生虫が居座り主張しなけりゃなあ
4者会議でこの寄生虫が居座り主張しなけりゃなあ
291名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:oFKqKJWT0
>>281
ポコはドームの正規の利用料を払うことができず税金で減免してもらっているので、むしろ責任の一部がある
ポコはドームの正規の利用料を払うことができず税金で減免してもらっているので、むしろ責任の一部がある
293名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:WlkyivbO0
>>281
逆張りと日ハム憎しでファンが先鋭化しちゃったからね…
コンササポのツイッターとかほんとヤバいよ
だいたい日ハム叩きツイートしてるから
逆はそんなこと全くないのに
逆張りと日ハム憎しでファンが先鋭化しちゃったからね…
コンササポのツイッターとかほんとヤバいよ
だいたい日ハム叩きツイートしてるから
逆はそんなこと全くないのに
522名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:7Kd1MPKV0
>>281
コンサというチーム自体はさておき、サポが野球を攻撃しすぎ
コンサというチーム自体はさておき、サポが野球を攻撃しすぎ
サポに攻撃を止めるようにいうべきだよ
608名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:aCichY/90
>>522
言ってどうなるもんじゃねえし
言ってどうなるもんじゃねえし
ただ、Jリーグはこのままではオワコン
533名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Irp9u54Y0
>>522
一番攻撃してるのが前コンサ社長→現Jリーグチェアマンという地獄
一番攻撃してるのが前コンサ社長→現Jリーグチェアマンという地獄
660名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:DfTGDeTi0
>>533
野々村「やきうはただのショービズで興行、サッカーは文化、いずれサッカーが制圧する」
マジで言ってたという
野々村「やきうはただのショービズで興行、サッカーは文化、いずれサッカーが制圧する」
マジで言ってたという
666名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:oRCAlt3a0
>>660
歌舞伎や能は日本の文化だけど、圧倒なんてしてないしなあ
歌舞伎や能は日本の文化だけど、圧倒なんてしてないしなあ
668名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ebDXO0sm0
>>660
野々村は北広島に決まった時
北広島で講演して
BPにサッカー場も造って欲しい
とほざいていた
野々村は北広島に決まった時
北広島で講演して
BPにサッカー場も造って欲しい
とほざいていた
283名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:TkctDjJq0
>>281
悪いことはしてないよね
不人気なだけで
悪いことはしてないよね
不人気なだけで
292名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:UcoYtqXS0
>>283
いつ頃がピークだったかね
岡田がJ1に昇格させた頃？
いつ頃がピークだったかね
岡田がJ1に昇格させた頃？
286名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:q0MkKDzX0
>>281
日ハム敵視して俺たちの札ドやってたのに居なくなったら被害者にはならんでしょ
日ハム敵視して俺たちの札ドやってたのに居なくなったら被害者にはならんでしょ
298名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:w8jL1lJk0
>>286
まあでもそれサポーターだろ？
サポーターは確かにあれだったかもしれないが
まあでもそれサポーターだろ？
サポーターは確かにあれだったかもしれないが
295名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:UcoYtqXS0
>>286
そんなことやってたんですか？
そんなことやってたんですか？
285名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:dNfHqFFY02023/06/24(土) 12:09:36.86
北海道最大の都市 札幌市の税収は3500億円だ
10億円前後の赤字黒字なんて正直誤差の範囲だろうが
10億円前後の赤字黒字なんて正直誤差の範囲だろうが
10億円前後の赤字施設を残したまま増税なんて出来んだろうな
345名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Owzewb0r0
>>285
あのとんでもなくひどい除雪とか見るに
豊かな自治体な感じは全くしないわけどな
あのとんでもなくひどい除雪とか見るに
豊かな自治体な感じは全くしないわけどな
350名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:LIjXczOC0
>>345
というか札幌市自体が面積と人口が馬鹿みたいに多い大きいくせに繁華街は札駅～大通りすすきのしかないからデカさの割にはショボい
というか札幌市自体が面積と人口が馬鹿みたいに多い大きいくせに繁華街は札駅～大通りすすきのしかないからデカさの割にはショボい
まあ札駅～大通りすすきのは立派なんだけど
363名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Owzewb0r0
>>350
広い割にこれといった観光地も名所もマジでないも無いうえに
ドームがこれという
広い割にこれといった観光地も名所もマジでないも無いうえに
ドームがこれという
289名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Hpdv4MJ+02023/06/24(土) 12:10:24.04
エスコンはアリーナ席作れないからツアーで使うアーティストはほぼいないと思う。
290名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:g9H5+wYt02023/06/24(土) 12:10:32.25
「赤字で何がわるいねん。市民の税金で穴埋めしたらいいだろ」
って居直ればいい
実際それ言われたら反論のしようがないしw
って居直ればいい
実際それ言われたら反論のしようがないしw
321名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:2UeGZbHq0
>>290
札幌維新が出てきたら速攻リストラされるけどな
札幌維新が出てきたら速攻リストラされるけどな
297名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:9nsy5WM+02023/06/24(土) 12:11:32.75
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I urge you stay away from this platform. My personal experience with it has been only frustration along with concerns regarding scamming practices. Proceed with extreme caution, or alternatively, find a more reputable platform to meet your needs.
I highly advise steer clear of this platform. The experience I had with it was purely frustration along with suspicion of fraudulent activities. Be extremely cautious, or even better, seek out a more reputable service to fulfill your requirements.
I urge you stay away from this platform. My personal experience with it has been purely disappointment along with concerns regarding fraudulent activities. Exercise extreme caution, or better yet, seek out a trustworthy platform to meet your needs.
I highly advise steer clear of this platform. My personal experience with it has been purely frustration along with doubts about deceptive behavior. Exercise extreme caution, or alternatively, look for an honest service to meet your needs.
I highly advise stay away from this platform. My personal experience with it was nothing but frustration as well as doubts about deceptive behavior. Be extremely cautious, or better yet, look for a more reputable platform for your needs.
I urge you to avoid this platform. My personal experience with it was purely disappointment along with doubts about fraudulent activities. Exercise extreme caution, or alternatively, look for a more reputable service for your needs.
I strongly recommend to avoid this site. My own encounter with it was purely frustration as well as suspicion of deceptive behavior. Proceed with extreme caution, or even better, look for a trustworthy service for your needs.
I urge you stay away from this site. My own encounter with it was only disappointment along with doubts about deceptive behavior. Exercise extreme caution, or alternatively, seek out an honest service to meet your needs.
I urge you steer clear of this platform. The experience I had with it has been nothing but disappointment as well as concerns regarding deceptive behavior. Proceed with extreme caution, or alternatively, seek out an honest site to meet your needs.
I highly advise to avoid this platform. My own encounter with it has been only dismay as well as doubts about fraudulent activities. Proceed with extreme caution, or alternatively, look for a trustworthy site to fulfill your requirements.
I highly advise steer clear of this site. My personal experience with it was only dismay along with doubts about deceptive behavior. Proceed with extreme caution, or better yet, find a more reputable site to meet your needs.
I urge you stay away from this platform. My own encounter with it was purely frustration as well as concerns regarding fraudulent activities. Exercise extreme caution, or even better, find an honest platform to fulfill your requirements.
I highly advise to avoid this platform. My own encounter with it has been purely frustration along with doubts about fraudulent activities. Be extremely cautious, or alternatively, seek out a trustworthy site to fulfill your requirements.
I strongly recommend to avoid this platform. The experience I had with it was only dismay and concerns regarding scamming practices. Be extremely cautious, or alternatively, look for an honest service to meet your needs.
I highly advise stay away from this site. My personal experience with it has been purely disappointment along with suspicion of scamming practices. Proceed with extreme caution, or even better, look for an honest site to fulfill your requirements.
I urge you stay away from this platform. The experience I had with it has been nothing but disappointment and concerns regarding deceptive behavior. Proceed with extreme caution, or even better, look for a more reputable platform to fulfill your requirements.
I urge you to avoid this platform. My own encounter with it has been nothing but frustration and concerns regarding deceptive behavior. Be extremely cautious, or better yet, find an honest service to meet your needs.
I urge you steer clear of this site. The experience I had with it has been nothing but frustration along with doubts about scamming practices. Exercise extreme caution, or even better, find an honest platform to fulfill your requirements.
I strongly recommend to avoid this site. The experience I had with it has been nothing but frustration as well as doubts about fraudulent activities. Exercise extreme caution, or better yet, seek out a more reputable service to meet your needs.
I urge you to avoid this platform. The experience I had with it has been only frustration as well as concerns regarding scamming practices. Exercise extreme caution, or even better, find a trustworthy site to fulfill your requirements.
I urge you stay away from this site. My personal experience with it has been nothing but frustration along with concerns regarding fraudulent activities. Be extremely cautious, or even better, seek out a trustworthy platform to meet your needs.
I strongly recommend steer clear of this platform. The experience I had with it has been purely frustration along with concerns regarding deceptive behavior. Be extremely cautious, or even better, find a more reputable site to fulfill your requirements.