301名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:xcwmd1Yw02023/06/24(土) 12:13:12.73
道新ホールも赤字だろ
新聞屋から不動産に業態替えか
新聞屋から不動産に業態替えか
302名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:LlP48+Zh02023/06/24(土) 12:13:13.02
法則
コンサは悪くないとかいう奴
総じてサッカーファンの法則
305名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:r7RHca7O02023/06/24(土) 12:13:29.06
コンサファンの異常粘着も知らずにレスしてるアホいるの草
306名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:g9H5+wYt02023/06/24(土) 12:13:32.30
正直ドームの赤字なんて関係者が保身のために黒字になると適当こいていたのはわかりきっていたからどうでもいいけど、周辺施設への影響が甚大なのがヤバい
生活成り立たなくなる市民が結構出るはず
生活成り立たなくなる市民が結構出るはず
308名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:kkhgMp0c02023/06/24(土) 12:14:16.81
札幌ドームは今まで日ハムに使用料払ってもらって黒字化してくれたんだから感謝しなきゃいけないね
建設費の元は取れたんじゃない？
W杯スタジアムでこういうところはないだろ
建設費の元は取れたんじゃない？
W杯スタジアムでこういうところはないだろ
309名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:UcoYtqXS02023/06/24(土) 12:14:22.36
>>395
詳しく教えて欲しい！
詳しく教えて欲しい！
310名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:a38RHMdn02023/06/24(土) 12:14:25.41
取り壊しが早ければ早いほど札幌市民の傷は浅くてすむぞ、100億の赤字も見えてきた
一刻も早く取り壊すべき
一刻も早く取り壊すべき
314名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:UcoYtqXS0
>>310
無理だろうなあ
俺がドームの職員なら問題を先送りにして退職金もらうわw
無理だろうなあ
俺がドームの職員なら問題を先送りにして退職金もらうわw
317名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:xfjT4yYU0
>>310
第３セクターにおける損切り事例としても有用だし、
ドーム球場解体事例としても後学のためになる。
第３セクターにおける損切り事例としても有用だし、
ドーム球場解体事例としても後学のためになる。
327名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:4jVenWV60
>>310
それは嘘
それは嘘
札幌ドームは土地取得費と金利で600億円使ってるけど
一括返済じゃなく
毎年、北海道庁と国土交通省から毎年8億円くらいの補助金貰ってるから
今壊したら、その【補助金】が貰えなくなる
572名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Y2xJblZ80
>>327
その計算だと
札幌市はあと8年くらいで545億円の借金返済するつもりのようだが
毎年8億円✕8年＝64億円は毎年の札幌ドームの運営赤字に消えるんでは？
残った545億円の赤字は減らなしい
運営赤字が毎年8億円以上の赤字出したら
借金は増えていきそう
その計算だと
札幌市はあと8年くらいで545億円の借金返済するつもりのようだが
毎年8億円✕8年＝64億円は毎年の札幌ドームの運営赤字に消えるんでは？
残った545億円の赤字は減らなしい
運営赤字が毎年8億円以上の赤字出したら
借金は増えていきそう
311名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:cFO94g0502023/06/24(土) 12:15:07.43
でも経営役員の懐が痛むことなければなんてことないな(´･ω･｀)
312名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:mKzhW3Kf02023/06/24(土) 12:15:11.67
どっちもどっち君後戻りできなくなってるやんw
315名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:VmBAjmCv02023/06/24(土) 12:15:40.01
税リーグのせいで滅茶苦茶だな
もう今後一切関わるなよ
もう今後一切関わるなよ
318名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:J3d/408r02023/06/24(土) 12:16:18.62
日ハム無しのドームなんてこんなもんだろ
319名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:awdfbcip02023/06/24(土) 12:16:27.44
日本人なら国立の心配するからね
そうじゃない人は半島人かな
323名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:zp6RPUbp02023/06/24(土) 12:17:10.09
日ハムファンはいつまでも粘着ウゼえなあって思ってるだけで憎しみとかないだろw
コンサポのアレはマジで憎しみに近いけど
コンサポのアレはマジで憎しみに近いけど
326名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:UcoYtqXS0
>>323
どっちもどっちのような気がするなあ
どっちもどっちのような気がするなあ
333名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:zp6RPUbp0
>>326
日ハムファンはコンサのことなんて話題にすらしてないよ
逆はいっつも日ハムとエスコンの話ばっかしてるけど
日ハムファンはコンサのことなんて話題にすらしてないよ
逆はいっつも日ハムとエスコンの話ばっかしてるけど
325名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:IRqfsMFK02023/06/24(土) 12:17:47.95
日ハムって凄かったんだな
ハムなのにな
ハムなのにな
330名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:2UeGZbHq02023/06/24(土) 12:19:15.91
つか2021の無観客の時ですら札幌ドームを使ってくれた日ハムに感謝しない札幌ドーム
332名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:uKzN2DP502023/06/24(土) 12:19:27.97
なんで日ハムにナメた態度取ったの？バカじゃないの
344名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:XPoJ+fsO0
>>332
まさかあんなどう考えても失敗する新球場に本当に移転しちゃうとは思わなかったしね
まさかあんなどう考えても失敗する新球場に本当に移転しちゃうとは思わなかったしね
346名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:LlP48+Zh0
>>344
おっ文脈大丈夫か大丈夫か
おっ文脈大丈夫か大丈夫か
340名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:lunf8Sx10
>>332
だからカーテンに10億も使うんだろ！
だからカーテンに10億も使うんだろ！
334名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:1vIeriea02023/06/24(土) 12:19:53.07
正直W杯に名乗りあげたのが失敗だったんじゃないかなあ
337名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:CyXjnNWr02023/06/24(土) 12:21:31.50
てかワールドカップ関係なら札幌ドームより全く使われない宮城スタジアムの方がヤバイ
410名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:YAVKcpkk0
>>337
使われてる上に金払ってもらえない大分のがある意味キツい
使われてる上に金払ってもらえない大分のがある意味キツい
349名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:atz/zN870
>>337
金額だと札幌ドームの方が大きいからヤバさ一位は譲らんよ
建設費600億、過去10年の補修費は100億、これからさらに地獄
この規模感は札幌ドームがトップ
金額だと札幌ドームの方が大きいからヤバさ一位は譲らんよ
建設費600億、過去10年の補修費は100億、これからさらに地獄
この規模感は札幌ドームがトップ
339名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:4jVenWV602023/06/24(土) 12:22:12.97
市債の返還と
その市債の返還には、北海道庁と国土交通省から補助金が出てるから
市債の返還が終わる2030年まで絶対に閉鎖する事は無い
その市債の返還には、北海道庁と国土交通省から補助金が出てるから
市債の返還が終わる2030年まで絶対に閉鎖する事は無い
341名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:h1tbImJ102023/06/24(土) 12:22:36.12
大赤字って分かってたのに適当なシミュレーションして問題を先送りにしていたよね
347名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:LIjXczOC02023/06/24(土) 12:24:28.22
札幌ドームも天然芝を野球用に使ってれば良かっただけの話だよな
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