151名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:cDF2KCOO02023/07/20(木) 13:52:23.76
お祝いをやめましょう
それだけのことだよね
みんな迷惑してます
結婚式も葬式も出産もお金を包んで渡すのをやめましょう
それで解決するでしょ
それだけのことだよね
みんな迷惑してます
結婚式も葬式も出産もお金を包んで渡すのをやめましょう
それで解決するでしょ
153名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:KB+uIwg502023/07/20(木) 13:55:27.93
手のひら返しなんてやめて欲しいw
154名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:8THvsbqP02023/07/20(木) 13:57:32.07
結婚も出産もしてないから
祝われることが全くないな
でていく一方だ
祝われることが全くないな
でていく一方だ
155名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:TAE8am6102023/07/20(木) 13:57:34.53
年賀状も無くなれよ
156名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:LjTdu9T802023/07/20(木) 14:01:44.07
お祝いは貰うのね
157名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:+Td2+G3E02023/07/20(木) 14:02:47.19
うちはこれで大喧嘩した
俺は返さない派
嫁は返す派
俺は返さない派
嫁は返す派
嫁側の親戚が多くてもらうたんびに喧嘩してた
第一子生まれた直後なのに離婚の話まで出た
結局全部半返ししたが
最後の方はお祝いもらうのが怖くてしょうがなかった
158名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:NeI05lGC0
>>157
奥さんかわいそ
あそこの嫁は気が利かないと叩かれるのは奥さんの方なんだから
旦那は気楽なもんだわ
奥さんかわいそ
あそこの嫁は気が利かないと叩かれるのは奥さんの方なんだから
旦那は気楽なもんだわ
161名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:+Td2+G3E0
>>158
>>160
>>160
返す派なのね
160名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:/nPHoeFz0
>>157
意味不明
お祝いの倍返しでもあるまいし
何がこわいの？
嫁が返すことに文句言わないなら返しゃいいじゃん
メンドクセ旦那
意味不明
お祝いの倍返しでもあるまいし
何がこわいの？
嫁が返すことに文句言わないなら返しゃいいじゃん
メンドクセ旦那
168名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:aY9a8VSu0
>>157
もらってしまったら返すのが礼儀かと思うけど。最初からお祝い不要といっとけよ
もらってしまったら返すのが礼儀かと思うけど。最初からお祝い不要といっとけよ
196名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:c+Jy5NFo0
>>157
もらってしまえば返さなきゃ
嫁として失格と見做される
まあ親戚付き合い全カットするつもりならいいけど
もらってしまえば返さなきゃ
嫁として失格と見做される
まあ親戚付き合い全カットするつもりならいいけど
159名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:W5RR7IXw02023/07/20(木) 14:12:40.58
義理チョコもやめろ
貰う方も返す方も不幸(´・ω・｀)
貰う方も返す方も不幸(´・ω・｀)
193名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:5AYUXKhd0
>>159
それは投資です
30倍返ししろ
それは投資です
30倍返ししろ
162名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Gy3Pm7k602023/07/20(木) 14:32:03.69
おおきなお世話
163名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Gy3Pm7k602023/07/20(木) 14:32:12.97
外国人追放
164名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:jp0YfFkJ02023/07/20(木) 14:33:08.68
お祝い返しは貰った額の半分だぞ
半分も返せないのか？
165名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:/7ntxVNW02023/07/20(木) 14:37:26.40
披露宴のご祝儀の金額とかもそうだが貧乏臭すぎ
祝儀だのお祝いだの香典だのに妙なルールが生まれたのは大概戦後らしい
披露宴を身の丈以上でやらせてご祝儀で補填させるビジネスモデルを作ったのも葬式のあと香典返しカタログシステムで押し付けルール作ったのも業者
こう言うシステムに慣れてしまってキックバック当たり前になってしまいお金を献じる本来の意味は喪失しているw
祝儀だのお祝いだの香典だのに妙なルールが生まれたのは大概戦後らしい
披露宴を身の丈以上でやらせてご祝儀で補填させるビジネスモデルを作ったのも葬式のあと香典返しカタログシステムで押し付けルール作ったのも業者
こう言うシステムに慣れてしまってキックバック当たり前になってしまいお金を献じる本来の意味は喪失しているw
171名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:EK+70jNj0
>>165
そもそもお互い冠婚葬祭で出し合えば長い目で見て相殺されるはず
身内や村人中心に冠婚葬祭やってた頃はそうだったはず
そもそもお互い冠婚葬祭で出し合えば長い目で見て相殺されるはず
身内や村人中心に冠婚葬祭やってた頃はそうだったはず
167名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:9DesaSs202023/07/20(木) 14:42:25.47
物を贈るって昭和以前の価値感だからな
物を貰って喜ぶ時代じゃないんだ
今は断捨離して余計な物は家に置きたくないくらいなんだから
物を貰って喜ぶ時代じゃないんだ
今は断捨離して余計な物は家に置きたくないくらいなんだから
177名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:RMQmQAl30
>>167
贈りモノを相手を喜ばすためのものって考えてるのがまず間違い
贈答文化は関係維持にコストを発生させて裏切りやただ乗りを防ぐためのもの
贈りモノを相手を喜ばすためのものって考えてるのがまず間違い
贈答文化は関係維持にコストを発生させて裏切りやただ乗りを防ぐためのもの
169名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:EK+70jNj02023/07/20(木) 14:44:53.44
そもそもお返しなんていらないし
金ならともかく物は迷惑
金ならともかく物は迷惑
172名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:JhHFg8Cz02023/07/20(木) 14:48:51.96
インフレを実現したからいえよ。
このバカ経済でああたらこうたら。
消費が減るわ。
このバカ経済でああたらこうたら。
消費が減るわ。
173名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:z8KgMoIR02023/07/20(木) 14:51:50.88
俺もお返しがあるものはなるべく参加しないようにしてるわ
174名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:BrOZsahB02023/07/20(木) 14:57:13.56
お祝いには倍返しが常識
175名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:HymvtiKS02023/07/20(木) 15:00:09.96
貰うのもやめればいいだけやん
194名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:IOxDYT2V0
>>175
突き返したら、それはそれで喧嘩売る事にならないの？
突き返したら、それはそれで喧嘩売る事にならないの？
176名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:/7ntxVNW02023/07/20(木) 15:01:09.25
ご祝儀、お祝い、香典等の根拠不明な儀礼的出費を相殺する工夫がキックバックルールなんだろうなw
つまり儀礼は単なる負担だと皆思ってる
でも儀礼が無くなると一番困るのは業者
結婚披露宴とか招待客ごとカモられまくり
つまり儀礼は単なる負担だと皆思ってる
でも儀礼が無くなると一番困るのは業者
結婚披露宴とか招待客ごとカモられまくり
178名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:sD0FW8jP02023/07/20(木) 15:04:45.44
今はネットで済ませられるから、昔と違って便利だと思う
親世代は百貨店まで行ってたし
今は香典辞退はしてる
親世代は百貨店まで行ってたし
今は香典辞退はしてる
179名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:EK+70jNj02023/07/20(木) 15:05:01.73
親の実家に古い香典貰った記録があったけど
当時は米とか反物とか物が多いんだななんだな
それをきちんと記録しておいてこっちが出す側になったら相応の物を出すってのが
昔の習慣だったのだと思う
人間関係が密だった時代
当時は米とか反物とか物が多いんだななんだな
それをきちんと記録しておいてこっちが出す側になったら相応の物を出すってのが
昔の習慣だったのだと思う
人間関係が密だった時代
180名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:hRnhnaC/02023/07/20(木) 15:11:06.59
お祝い返しされると「お前に借りは作らん」って言う確固たる意志を感じるよね
181名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:cuxifrPN02023/07/20(木) 15:16:28.34
日本人って自分一人で決められない人ばっかりだよね
SNSのせいか知らんけどみんな誘う必要ないんだが
SNSのせいか知らんけどみんな誘う必要ないんだが
182名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:J0aSFER402023/07/20(木) 15:20:04.41
少し前に山口で小田和正のライブがあった、大渋滞になって開演に遅れる人が続出（結果的に時間をずらした）
その時に、ある店に「お金を払うから車を停めさせて欲しい」という人がやってきた。近くに駐車場があったので紹介した。
その時に、ある店に「お金を払うから車を停めさせて欲しい」という人がやってきた。近くに駐車場があったので紹介した。
数日たって宮崎から果物が送られてきた。その時の人だった。 よい話だなと思った
184名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:LclI3VRT02023/07/20(木) 15:30:35.36
常識が出来ない人は、もらうのもやめたらいいよ。
人間として扱われる価値もないんだし、祝ってもらうような人間でもないんだし。
世間と孤立して一生一人でいたらいいよ。
人間として扱われる価値もないんだし、祝ってもらうような人間でもないんだし。
世間と孤立して一生一人でいたらいいよ。
186名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:6YETQhTu02023/07/20(木) 15:31:55.12
貧乏が悪いんだよ
お返しってのは裕福なしるし
経済的にも貧しくなって、今度はこころまでも貧しくなったってこと
あわれあわれ
187名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:LclI3VRT02023/07/20(木) 15:32:34.44
返すのだって、常識では、半返しって言うけど、半分さえ返せないクズばかりだし。
存在から無視されたらいい。
存在から無視されたらいい。
188名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:YFCGMy5o02023/07/20(木) 15:33:24.80
返さなけりゃいいじゃん
もしくはお祝いをもらう時に返せないけどいい？と聞く
もしくはお祝いをもらう時に返せないけどいい？と聞く
189名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:LclI3VRT02023/07/20(木) 15:34:13.54
常識やしきたりを守れない人間ってのは、人付き合いも出来ない無価値なクズだから、阻害されていいし、付き合う価値もない証なんだよね。
190名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:LclI3VRT02023/07/20(木) 15:34:55.53
誰にも相手にされない屑の証明。
付き合う価値がない奴って意味なだけ。
付き合う価値がない奴って意味なだけ。
191名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:LclI3VRT02023/07/20(木) 15:35:42.37
屑ばかりで草。
192名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:0mDmkGl402023/07/20(木) 15:42:32.50
そもそもお返しとか要らんからな、俺
大抵の場合、経済的に俺のほうが余裕あるから、返そうとしないやつも結構いる。別に構わん
大抵の場合、経済的に俺のほうが余裕あるから、返そうとしないやつも結構いる。別に構わん
195名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ni9JSxYB02023/07/20(木) 15:49:28.08
未だにマスクしてる馬鹿も一緒
201名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:kiVrqZ2k0
>>195
俺はマスクなんかもうしなくていいとは思うが、また感染者増えてるし、うちには年寄りがいるから着けてるよ
俺はマスクなんかもうしなくていいとは思うが、また感染者増えてるし、うちには年寄りがいるから着けてるよ
197名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:0mDmkGl402023/07/20(木) 15:51:11.06
社会的な常識からすると、金を貸すならあげたと思えみたいな世界だろ
氷河期世代だから、給与すら受け取れるとは限らない世界で、破滅も散々見てきた
見返りみたいなの求めるほうが非常識だろ
返ってこないほうが普通だと思うがな
氷河期世代だから、給与すら受け取れるとは限らない世界で、破滅も散々見てきた
見返りみたいなの求めるほうが非常識だろ
返ってこないほうが普通だと思うがな
198名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Fowp88Tf02023/07/20(木) 15:51:56.22
年賀状も結婚式披露宴も廃止でええな。
199名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:kiVrqZ2k0
>>198
結婚式なんか欠席に○して返せばいいだけ
結婚式なんか欠席に○して返せばいいだけ
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