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【映画】来日トム・クルーズから自宅に電話「本当に辞めるの? すごく困る」戸田奈津子、通訳引退の理由

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双葉社 THE CHANGE
戸田奈津子 撮影/THECHANGE編集部

映画字幕翻訳者の戸田奈津子さん。昭和・平成・令和を「字幕」と「通訳」の“二刀流”で映画界を牽引してきた。しかし86歳となった昨年、「通訳」引退を発表。ちょうど大ヒット映画『トップガン マーヴェリック』日本公開の直前、主演のトム・クルーズ来日のタイミングだったこともあり、大きな話題となった。
とはいえ、“本業”の「字幕翻訳」はまだまだ現役、7月21日公開予定の『ミッション:インポッシブル/デッドレコニング』の字幕も手掛けている。
「後悔はありません。映画が好きだから」という某転職サイトのCMでの言葉通り、生涯を大好きな映画に捧げた女性、その人生が変わった「THE CHANGE」とはーー。

■【画像】トム・クルーズと戸田奈津子「近すぎる」お宝写真■

通訳引退が大きなニュースに!
「あんなに大ごとになるなんて思いませんでした。私としては、一通訳に世間がそんなに興味を持っているとは思っていませんでしたから。あの反響には、本当に驚きました。なんでああいう具合になったのか、わかりません(笑)」

とある休日の昼下がり。都内某所のレストランで「THE CHANGE」のインタビューに答えて下さった戸田奈津子さんは、通訳引退を発表した時のことをこう振り返った。

「字幕」をやりながら「通訳」もする。この二足のわらじを履いている人は戸田さんぐらいしかいないのではないだろうか。同じ英語を扱う仕事とはいえ、字幕翻訳と通訳はまったく違う仕事なのだ。

「実を言うと、以前から通訳の仕事は辞めたかったのです。だってバイリンガルでもない私の通訳はプロとはいえないし。もともと通訳がやりたかったわけではなく、字幕翻訳がやりたくて映画業界に入ったら、たまたま通訳をやることになってしまっただけですから。ただ通訳をやるチャンスが来て、いろいろな人たちにお会いできるのはとても楽しかった。スターはもとより監督の興味深いお話もたくさんうかがえて。だから、ずるずると続けて来たのですが。正直なところ、1度として通訳が“本業”だと思ったことはありません」

洋画黄金期に字幕と通訳との“二刀流”で活躍し、長く日本の洋画界を支えてきたが、昨年(2022年)通訳を引退すると発表。まさに「THE CHANGE」であった。

次ページは:「通訳」デビューは「字幕」よりも早かった!

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/7e1307d71a3eab1e0909606742b79a21a0f4d369

引用元:https://hayabusa9.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/mnewsplus/1689579349/

22名無しさん@恐縮ですID:0PRjvER/0
>>1
一時期、水道橋博士やその周りが必死に戸田さんバッシングを展開していたが、左翼界隈ではそういう命令でも出てたのか?

戸田さんも完璧ではないだろうけど、水道橋博士なんか翻訳のほの字すら出来ないのに聞いてて不快だったよ。

59名無しさん@恐縮ですID:LH6EXZPr0
>>22
でもこの人の誤訳ひどいよ
105名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ZdXiV1vE0
>>22
現に途中で降ろされたり差し替えられてんのに
自己満足ババアが叩かれんほうが異常だろ
77名無しさん@恐縮ですID:mgoe+F5T0
>>1
サイエントロジーかっけえわ
79名無しさん@恐縮ですID:K5r1iCL30
>>77
数年前に亡くなった世界的ジャズピアニストのチックコリアもサイエントロジーだったっけな
2名無しさん@恐縮ですID:cxve39S702023/07/17(月) 16:36:22.26
ヘイ!ナツーコ!
3名無しさん@恐縮ですID:2sCriVq702023/07/17(月) 16:37:02.60
言っておくけど「ジゴワット」は元から「ジゴワット」だからな
制作側で間違えたんだあれは
4名無しさん@恐縮ですID:zoJb6cEW02023/07/17(月) 16:37:23.11
戸田奈津子に辞めてほしくないと思ってるのは世界でトムだけだよ
31名無しさん@恐縮ですID:0IAA1grv0
>>4
でもまぁ、世界で一人だけがトム・クルーズで、
トム・クルーズがこの人じゃないと嫌だ、つーのは強烈な存在価値ではある。
65名無しさん@恐縮ですID:gZiXTIxM0
>>31
演技が下手だけど
変な宗教はいってるし
この人、すべての病気はサラダ油で治ると言ってたけど
ワクチンは打ったのかな?
神輿は軽いほうが良いんだな
ハリウッドも
86名無しさん@恐縮ですID:DEAFyHVe0
>>65
トム・クルーズって演技下手かな
94名無しさん@恐縮ですID:TC69c9YI0
>>86
俺は普通にうまいと思うよ
演技が下手ならいくらアクションいくら上手くても興行収入伸びんわ
78名無しさん@恐縮ですID:K5r1iCL30
>>31
大谷翔平が水原一平じゃないとダメって言ってるようなもんか
56名無しさん@恐縮ですID:gZiXTIxM0
>>4
いまアメリカが代理戦争中で
世界中が大迷惑してるから
話題ふりまくのに
わざとやってるだけだよ
93名無しさん@恐縮ですID:wa3QKUt20
>>4
何でアンチなんこの人に何かされたん
5名無しさん@恐縮ですID:gPKOZ9I402023/07/17(月) 16:37:24.63
86歳の人は辞めさせてあげて
6名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ANwT3TJD02023/07/17(月) 16:37:46.20
AIでええやん
7名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Z8LxHd2702023/07/17(月) 16:38:20.86
来た時だけ指名で雇えばいいじゃん
8名無しさん@恐縮ですID:LniWoUYM02023/07/17(月) 16:38:29.86
戸田奈津子ってだけでオチになるの草
9名無しさん@恐縮ですID:qLLZKTfO02023/07/17(月) 16:39:10.57
逆にストなんかやってないで日本に来なさいよって言ってやれ
10名無しさん@恐縮ですID:vvn6ZDQT02023/07/17(月) 16:39:17.69
引退するかもだ
11名無しさん@恐縮ですID:59A4YHYN02023/07/17(月) 16:40:30.10
ああナツコ、ナツコ
またセックスしたいよ
12名無しさん@恐縮ですID:4GBJjL1d02023/07/17(月) 16:41:43.20
うそくせえ
60名無しさん@恐縮ですID:gZiXTIxM0
>>12
ヤラセっぽいよね
今メリケン俳優どころじゃないから
日本は米国にATM付きの犬にされて
日本の首相が
第二のウクライナになるとか
言わされてるし
13名無しさん@恐縮ですID:KUPfc96i02023/07/17(月) 16:41:46.69
国際ロマンス詐欺やな
14名無しさん@恐縮ですID:nFybszXi02023/07/17(月) 16:41:52.80
通訳だけかーい
15名無しさん@恐縮ですID:S5vLHr2p02023/07/17(月) 16:42:23.08
筋肉モリモリマッチョマンの変態だ、みたいな翻訳は今はできないんだってね
16名無しさん@恐縮ですID:4IrHzUhc02023/07/17(月) 16:42:38.46
戸田さんてもしかしてトムがクリスマスに贈ってくれるというココナツケーキのリストに入ってんだろうか それならチョー羨ましい
17名無しさん@恐縮ですID:zDaF9eoM02023/07/17(月) 16:43:12.56
ストやってようが自家用ジェットじゃないのかね?スト関係あるんか。
28名無しさん@恐縮ですID:mrptDrJd0
>>17
ストやってるのにお前は海外に行ってる場合かと言われるからでは。
84名無しさん@恐縮ですID:12eXcfE80
>>17
何言ってるんだお前は
ストを理解してないのか
18名無しさん@恐縮ですID:lEALIHYn02023/07/17(月) 16:44:11.32
その事に精通していないと通じないから翻訳は難しいよな
サッカー記事とか直訳すぎて意味がわからんときがあるし
19名無しさん@恐縮ですID:zgjGpyen02023/07/17(月) 16:44:26.33
大谷の通訳の年棒が4億円らしいからバカバカしくて映画の翻訳なんてやってられないよ
70名無しさん@恐縮ですID:98yY6oHM0
ここでフルメタルジャケット、と空気を読まず書いてみる。

>>19
大リーグのトップ選手として意志疎通を確実とするために最高の通訳を雇うんだから億単位のカネくらい大谷なら出すだろ。戸田奈津子レベルの通訳じゃ話にならんし。

でも相変わらず超訳してるのかね。トップガンマーベリックは監修がついてたからか兵器関連の台詞は比較的マトモだったけど。

91名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ohb7tOMG0
>>70
通訳だけの能力だけじゃなくてかなり有能らしいからな一平
まあ大谷の通訳でツイてる部分はあるけどそれだけじゃ無いからな
通訳ってだけの部分しか見てないやつはアホ
ならみんな通訳すりゃいいだろとしか
104名無しさん@恐縮ですID:GJ6qO6Ua0
>>70
フルメタル・ジャケットの翻訳って戸田奈津子さんだったん?
20名無しさん@恐縮ですID:cfe3178D02023/07/17(月) 16:44:27.90
素晴らしい仕事をした女性
しかし高齢になりしんどくなるのは当然
21名無しさん@恐縮ですID:W5VXq6iN02023/07/17(月) 16:44:54.14
いいデロリアンにのりなさい
一生ジゴワットで安泰だから
23名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Gr/cbXSn02023/07/17(月) 16:45:08.71
嘘松
24名無しさん@恐縮ですID:eFjjX0HQ02023/07/17(月) 16:45:56.73
あの翻訳で、本当に会話できてんの?
112名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ZzG78ykP0
>>24
なっちの場合は英語力というより
「北極大陸」などと訳して何の疑問も感じない一般常識の無さが問題
お嬢様育ちの文学少女がそのままババァになったみたいな方だから文芸作品系の映画翻訳ならそんなにやらかさない印象
25名無しさん@恐縮ですID:TC69c9YI02023/07/17(月) 16:46:15.66
本当にやめるので?
33名無しさん@恐縮ですID:G53HZuWj0
>>25
こいつはコトだ!
26名無しさん@恐縮ですID:8K7FWgS+02023/07/17(月) 16:46:24.45
インディージョーンズの新作の冒頭でナチスの軍人のセリフを「まだここにスパイがいるかもだから」って訳してたなっちゃん
27名無しさん@恐縮ですID:6//pYlMG02023/07/17(月) 16:46:25.92
流石に86歳は無理でしょ
29名無しさん@恐縮ですID:j1VALWJR02023/07/17(月) 16:48:15.85
引退を?
せにゃかもだ!
30名無しさん@恐縮ですID:2yuTQCUx02023/07/17(月) 16:48:53.86
日本の映画翻訳的には朗報なのでは?
40名無しさん@恐縮ですID:nFybszXi0
>>30
翻訳をやめるとは言ってない
32名無しさん@恐縮ですID:CdmhjiLo02023/07/17(月) 16:51:04.73
これにはキューブリックも苦笑い
34名無しさん@恐縮ですID:U7yp4bI902023/07/17(月) 16:53:18.98
86歳でまだ働いてたのが凄いわ
普通寝たきり老人だろ86歳って
38名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Ss2NjnW10
>>34
仕事やっているから元気でいられる
アルツハイマーになるならないには関係ないけど
35名無しさん@恐縮ですID:vFp9/D2W02023/07/17(月) 16:54:03.16
辞めてもらわないと困る
36名無しさん@恐縮ですID:10dDPlTi02023/07/17(月) 16:54:40.80
こいつが翻訳し続ける方が困る
37名無しさん@恐縮ですID:T961jTxI02023/07/17(月) 16:55:15.49
翻訳家よりも通訳の方が天職なんじゃないか
優秀な翻訳家は他にもいるけど信頼される通訳は変えがきかないだろ
44名無しさん@恐縮ですID:EtiZHP7f0
>>37
いや正しくないから批判があるんだよ
トムクルーズは日本語まで知らないし雰囲気で言ってる
39名無しさん@恐縮ですID:RSO2Y+oC02023/07/17(月) 16:56:20.34
ロード・オブ・ザ・リングの字幕はこの人じゃなくて
小説の日本語訳書いた人がやった方がよかった。
41名無しさん@恐縮ですID:RYEdRI4/0
>>39
そしたら指輪物語とつらぬき丸だぞ
本当にええんか
48名無しさん@恐縮ですID:0IAA1grv0
>>39
ぶっちゃけ、指輪物語の小説の訳はあまりよろしくない。
古いのしか知らんだけかもだが、昔のファンタジーの世界を知らない日本人向けに訳してるから、
かなり珍妙に感じる。
42名無しさん@恐縮ですID:SEhlYGUB02023/07/17(月) 16:57:51.42
しかしまぁキャリアの中でしでかして来たコトとはいえニコニコ大百科とか見るとまぁ凹むだろうな本人は
49名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Wg6vraY90
>>42
そんな世間的に1ミリも影響力も無いところで言われても
43名無しさん@恐縮ですID:RSO2Y+oC02023/07/17(月) 16:59:25.99
映画の字幕って翻訳と違うからな。いわば超訳。
コメディードラマなんかのジョークは日本人には意味不明なのが多いから、
勝手に全然違うギャグセリフを作っちゃうし。
100%翻訳するのは、字幕の文字制限で不可能。
だいたい意味があってれば通じる。
できるだけ短く意味を伝えるのが字幕
45名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Ffrcf9PD02023/07/17(月) 16:59:57.32
引退なので?
46名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Ok8G27YY02023/07/17(月) 17:01:20.76
公開中のインディジョーンズも戸田翻訳だったな
47名無しさん@恐縮ですID:yM7oxDic02023/07/17(月) 17:01:21.85
ドラえもん、サザエさん、ついにアンパンマンもか
俺も老いるはずだわ
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