1湛然 ★ID:OK6HR32892023/07/06(木) 06:15:51.32
スピッツ草野マサムネ、賛否飛び交う【ライブ中の耳栓】論争に言及!
投稿日:2023/07/04 16:31 更新日:2023/07/04 16:31
https://coconutsjapan.com/etm/post-98863/98863/
7月2日、ロックバンド・スピッツの草野マサムネさんがパーソナリティを務めるラジオ「SPITZ 草野マサムネのロック大陸漫遊記」(TOKYOFM)が放送。草野さんがライブ中の観客の耳栓について言及し、注目を集めています。
■スピッツ草野マサムネ、賛否飛び交う【ライブ中の耳栓】論争に言及!
オープニングトークで草野さんは「ライブやコンサートでお客さんが耳栓を着けることについてどう思いますか」との質問に言及します。
「これさ、昔ではちょっと考えられなかったよね。アーティストに失礼かもとか考えちゃって」と草野さん。
確かに、昔はライブ中に耳栓をするというのは聞いたことがありませんでした。
また、耳栓をしたくてもアーティストや周囲に失礼なのではないかと考え、なかなか使用できないケースも。
しかし、今では耳を守るために耳栓をしている人も多く、草野さんも「今ではもう耳栓普通になりつつありますよね」と肯定的。
しかも、スピッツはツアーグッズで耳栓も売っていると言います。
公式が「耳栓OK」としているので、ライブ中も安心して耳栓が着けられますね。
■草野マサムネが教える、耳栓の“耳を守る”以外のメリットとは
さらに、草野さんは「実はね、この耳栓、耳を守る以外にメリットありまして」と、耳栓のメリットについて説明。
そのメリットとは「音がデカいバンドの場合は特に、バンドのアンサンブルとか全体像がすごく分かりやすくなったりする」というもの。
草野さん自身「正直言うと俺もね、昔からギターソロの時とかはね、耳を抑えて聴いてたりしてたんですよね。フレーズがすごく分かりやすくなるので」と、耳を抑えながら音を聴くことがあると言います。
今のアーティスト側の意識について、「演奏している側も、そういう耳栓に対する意識っていうのはアップデートされてるアーティストが増えてるだろうなと思う」と草野さん。
そして「耳栓してるお客さんがいても気にならないどころか、多分今だとかえって意識高いお客さんだなと感じる人もいるかもしれないね」と、耳栓をしているからといってマイナスイメージは持たれないと語りました。
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(文:二木もなか/編:おとなカワイイwebマガジンCOCONUTS編集部)
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90名無しさん@恐縮ですID:9CNVCzs40
>>1
>しかも、スピッツはツアーグッズで耳栓も売っていると言います。
>公式が「耳栓OK」としているので、ライブ中も安心して耳栓が着けられますね。
否定せずに受け入れて商売にするあたりが上手いな
137名無しさん@恐縮ですID:oEp4/6+v0
>>1
マスクしてなくて抵抗しなそうな奴を見つけて
注意して正義を実行して社会平和を守っているマスク警察だけど
耳栓している不届き者にも正義を実行した方がいいのだろうか🤔
147名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ClOFQBuc0
>>1
自分は前はそれほど気にしてなかったが
あるバンドのライブにスピーカー近くで参加した時に片方の耳だけ一時難聴になってから気にするようになったな
それからあまりの爆音ライブはライブ用の耳栓をするようになった
ライブ用の耳栓なら満遍なく音量をカットして曲や歌自体はちゃんと聴こえるからね
ほとんどのアーティスト側もイヤモニしてスピーカーからの爆音はカットしてライブしてるしな
耳を壊してしまったら音楽も楽しめなくなるからライブ用の耳栓も大事よ
もちろん聴力が壊れないスピーカーからの距離やそこまで爆音でない音楽ライブならライブ用耳栓は要らないけどね
187名無しさん@恐縮ですID:FUbWvE/e0
>>1
今どきライブなんて行くのおっさんおばさんだから聴覚保護は大事だな
229名無しさん@恐縮ですID:mbW4lXV80
>>1
最初からそういう目的で作られた耳栓とかあっても良いかも知れんね。
演奏する側はもちろんこれが一番良いと思う状態にチューニングしてあるはずだけど、人によって聞こえ方が違って例えば高音が強すぎるように感じたり、もうちょっとボーカルを強調して聴きたいとかあると思う。
231名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Hm65ujKZ0
>>229
いやチューニングなんかされてないですよ
そもそも場所によって聴こえ方は違うのだから、それをなるべく真ん中に均等に寄せようとしてるだけ
それもPAさんの仕事であって、演奏者はそこまで考えてないしコントロール出来ることでは無い
なので聴く方が聴く責任で堂々と調整すれば良い話
266名無しさん@恐縮ですID:mbW4lXV80
>>231
「なるべく真ん中に均等に寄せようとしてるだけ 」
だからその真ん中ってのが演奏してる人の思う理想の音ってことじゃねーの?
270名無しさん@恐縮ですID:pk59aJ2U0
>>266
違う
会場の平均値
完璧にするのは無理だから、一応会場ど真ん中のバランスを優先はするけども
あくまでも音量バランスであって、耳栓でどうこうとか音質面に言及する訳では無いしそんな余裕もない
ましてや屋外では
346名無しさん@恐縮ですID:fiS1jmD20
>>1
30年以上前から普通だったし咎められることもなかったぞ
音楽性にもよるんかな
2名無しさん@恐縮ですID:hM7+ajmm02023/07/06(木) 06:17:13.62
無音ライブやれば?
5名無しさん@恐縮ですID:CC0orpAY0
>>2
内容全く読まずにレスする奴居るよなあ
139名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Ig0vmKzV0
>>5
例えば4ですね。
17名無しさん@恐縮ですID:SbzHJQVY0
>>2
バカスw
29名無しさん@恐縮ですID:l/pRWwR30
>>2
昔やったアーティストがいたな。
ライブ始まってから二時間何も喋らず何も演奏せず、
客も二時間無言
しかしライブの終わり頃にアーティストと観客にあるハーモニーが共有され ねえよ!
そんなライブあるわけねえ!
34名無しさん@恐縮ですID:RFvWSZF60
>>29
ライブじゃないけど曲ならある
ジョン・ケージの4分33秒ってタイトルのピアノ曲
36名無しさん@恐縮ですID:c4IJ5jCf0
>>34
今森美で聴けるぞ録画だけど
それも2回
104名無しさん@恐縮ですID:xG8RdZ2y0
>>29
X JAPANですか?
220名無しさん@恐縮ですID:67WOvPqx0
>>29
マイケル・ジョンソンでちょいやってたな
77名無しさん@恐縮ですID:iM9cQ7Lf0
>>2
なぜバカの脳内はゼロヒャクなのか
134名無しさん@恐縮ですID:zY07AgrS0
>>77
しかも馬鹿特有の書き逃げよw
123名無しさん@恐縮ですID:QLejY/4n0
>>2
君の狙い通りに赤くしておいてあげるね!
316名無しさん@恐縮ですID:KjVv5cxv0
>>2
かわいい
334名無しさん@恐縮ですID:JQf07Q8j0
>>2
天竺鼠の無観客無配信ライブ思い出したw
3名無しさん@恐縮ですID:eXMCEglA02023/07/06(木) 06:19:57.47
そんなに爆音なのか
300名無しさん@恐縮ですID:qybWD2DX0
>>3
全員音量マックスで遊戯してるパチ屋みたいなもん
4名無しさん@恐縮ですID:x2pI1/4v02023/07/06(木) 06:20:52.45
いい耳栓を買いなさい
6名無しさん@恐縮ですID:QeTRC1oV02023/07/06(木) 06:21:07.52
ちょうど今日、あいみょんのライブに行ってきたけどバンドの音が大きすぎだなと思った 全部ではないけど
歌が聞こえやすいあいみょんでさえこれなら分かりにくい歌手なら聴こえないのでは?
207名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Gi46X3ON0
>>6
めちゃくちゃ朝早くライブやってるやん
7名無しさん@恐縮ですID:jfshlrmT02023/07/06(木) 06:21:43.03
ライブハウスで友達と喋るときは相手の耳を塞ぎながら耳の近くで喋るもんな
8名無しさん@恐縮ですID:QN8fd5oX02023/07/06(木) 06:22:54.33
いいムラマサを買いなさい
111名無しさん@恐縮ですID:tWfzQsMR0
>>8
ちょっとワロタ
348名無しさん@恐縮ですID:fiS1jmD20
>>8
店で売ってなくてマイルフィック狩りまくったわ
9名無しさん@恐縮ですID:GyVLiV4E02023/07/06(木) 06:23:23.38
へーそうなんだ
でかい会場で全部に音届かせようとしたらうるさくなっちゃう所もあるんだろうしね
20名無しさん@恐縮ですID:QeTRC1oV0
>>9
会場の大きさは関係ないよ 小さいところでもうるさい
10名無しさん@恐縮ですID:U4i8c4Nc02023/07/06(木) 06:24:05.90
去年山下達郎行ったときも私には楽器の音がでかすぎた
342名無しさん@恐縮ですID:kLQJySn10
>>10
家で聞いてろタコ
11名無しさん@恐縮ですID:VTeauAKt02023/07/06(木) 06:24:18.11
パチンコ屋で耳栓すると自分の台の音がよく聞こえるようになるみたいなもんだろうな
12名無しさん@恐縮ですID:YUBbSJSn02023/07/06(木) 06:25:46.31
パチンコ屋じゃないんだから
13名無しさん@恐縮ですID:tsL/uvsO02023/07/06(木) 06:26:48.23
パチ屋で耳栓すると自分の台の音がクリアに聞こえる仕組みと同じかえ??
出川の番組で最低月に2回は歌声聴いてるな草野マサムネ
14名無しさん@恐縮ですID:W147nPHw02023/07/06(木) 06:26:52.93
さすがにイヤーマフしたら怒られるかな
15名無しさん@恐縮ですID:xR8IKSvR02023/07/06(木) 06:28:10.04
フェスとかで子供連れてくるアホは子供に耳当てつけてるけど
大人でやる奴何しにきてんだろw
そもそも普段からイヤホンで音楽聴いてるからお前ら耳やられてんだろとwwww
110名無しさん@恐縮ですID:xG8RdZ2y0
>>15
あまり知られてない事実だから君が知らなくてもしょうがないんだけど
イヤホンて実は音量が調節できるから、耳はやられないのよ
16名無しさん@恐縮ですID:YaKbrxsX02023/07/06(木) 06:28:39.25
バカみたいにデカイ音のときあるよなあ
2〜3回は一週間くらい耳がおかしくなったことある
18名無しさん@恐縮ですID:VOIQdNvZ02023/07/06(木) 06:29:07.17
ノイキャンイヤホン使ったら
全く歌が聞こえてこなくなるライブ
19名無しさん@恐縮ですID:hlXMrPe902023/07/06(木) 06:30:16.88
グッズで耳栓売って儲かるならアーティスト側も怒る理由無いもんな
21名無しさん@恐縮ですID:B4w1n0bq02023/07/06(木) 06:32:03.61
「ね」が多いんだね
22名無しさん@恐縮ですID:gtgPbbwe02023/07/06(木) 06:32:33.84
スピッツって耳栓するほどの爆音バンドだったんだな
105名無しさん@恐縮ですID:9ob1XbH60
>>22
今まで行ったライブの中では一番小さかったかも
121名無しさん@恐縮ですID:oa2cxEXJ0
>>22
そうじゃなくてどんな音楽でもうるさいだろ
お前は音を聞けてない音痴
23名無しさん@恐縮ですID:fuwb2nPE02023/07/06(木) 06:33:43.62
ゲーセンの音ゲーにイヤホン装着できるようになった時は感動したな
24名無しさん@恐縮ですID:sRD7D9lH02023/07/06(木) 06:34:39.38
スピッツはライブの音小さい事で有名なのに
25名無しさん@恐縮ですID:X0JGUEnd02023/07/06(木) 06:34:58.45
耳栓して失礼なんて考えたこともないな
耳にストレス感じたら失礼もクソもない
26名無しさん@恐縮ですID:4sQOoDE902023/07/06(木) 06:35:19.38
>そして「耳栓してるお客さんがいても気にならないどころか、多分今だとかえって意識高いお客さんだなと感じる人もいるかもしれないね」と、耳栓をしているからといってマイナスイメージは持たれないと語りました。
意識高いって皮肉っぽく聞こえる
27名無しさん@恐縮ですID:cbi8RUfg02023/07/06(木) 06:36:15.21
PAやめちゃえよ
28名無しさん@恐縮ですID:hkM4Jlt+02023/07/06(木) 06:39:12.90
やたら音が大きいと辛いことある耳栓という手があるのを知らなかった
30名無しさん@恐縮ですID:JXiR3oV202023/07/06(木) 06:45:49.85
映画館とか俺には爆音すぎて耳痛くなるから最近見に行ってないな。
耳栓で調整って手もあるか
31名無しさん@恐縮ですID:mjOLchnW02023/07/06(木) 06:47:30.62
ちょっと意味が分からなかったけど音がでか過ぎて耳に悪いから
ボリューム小さくするくらいの意味か
32名無しさん@恐縮ですID:coLqjuVN02023/07/06(木) 06:47:47.23
スピッツなんて過去に行ったあらゆるライブの中で最も音が小さいわ
耳栓したらきこえんぞ
1番デカくて凶悪なのはTHE ALFEE
37名無しさん@恐縮ですID:QeTRC1oV0
>>32
アルフィーのライブは行ったことはないが拓郎のライブで聴いた うるさかったな
そのあと主催者が「住民からうるさいと苦情が来てますが・・・」と言い出したのでアルフィーのせいだなと皆言っていた。
56名無しさん@恐縮ですID:DB4Q6KeS0
>>32
アルフィーはファンがみんなもう老人性難聴だから・・・
33名無しさん@恐縮ですID:+FCUsaaI02023/07/06(木) 06:47:58.97
スピーカーの近くの席とか耳鳴り止まなかったり悪くなるケースあるからね
身を守るためでもあるから
35名無しさん@恐縮ですID:rKga1QHR02023/07/06(木) 06:50:31.84
アリーナ席の奴らが爆音で鼓膜をやられちまうってこと?
38名無しさん@恐縮ですID:E7iUxP6x02023/07/06(木) 06:51:45.30
下手なPAで爆音設定のとこ有るからライブ用耳栓は必要だよ
素だと音割れて聴けたもんじゃ無い
45名無しさん@恐縮ですID:QeTRC1oV0
>>38
昨日のあいみょん、音割れに聴こえたが音割れは普通にあるんだ 広島2日目だし調整を間違えないだろうけど音割れているよな?と
思いながら聴いていた
68名無しさん@恐縮ですID:c67wlQFY0
芸スポで煽って暴れてる奴らって
やっぱりライブ経験がないのか
>>38
でかけりゃいいと思い込んでるバカなPAって大勢いるもんな
むかし新宿にあったパワステですらPAの出音がでかすぎて
ステージ両脇に積まれたブラウン管モニターの映像が常に歪んでた
39名無しさん@恐縮ですID:KyBLRXvp02023/07/06(木) 06:51:49.86
シーナ&ロケッツの爆音はすごかった
ガチのマーシャルフルテン
40名無しさん@恐縮ですID:eOz1aiKV02023/07/06(木) 06:54:16.84
ステージ上が一番うるさい?
49名無しさん@恐縮ですID:smA7tSII0
>>40
本人はイヤモニ使ってるからそうでもない
66名無しさん@恐縮ですID:WHJoVNDv0
>>40
マジレスすると
・ステージの広さ
・モニタースピーカーの設置場所
・ミュージシャン自体の音量(ドラムやギターアンプなど)
次第だけど、歌ったり演奏してる本人からしてみると意外に静か。
イヤモニが主流になってからは、モニタースピーカーの音量も
そんなに大きくないので結構空間にゆとりある。
41名無しさん@恐縮ですID:qfcjkkRm02023/07/06(木) 06:56:55.04
いまどきのライブ事情はこんなことになっているのか
でも耳栓したほうが、個々の楽器の音やアンサンブルがよくわかる、
というのは確かに頷ける
どこかで売ってたら、御布施のつもりで買ってみるか
42名無しさん@恐縮ですID:s97K/vj002023/07/06(木) 06:57:15.74
これはほんとそう思うね
特にスネアの音が割れてる場合が多いし
低域をカットしないとちゃんと聞こえない
43名無しさん@恐縮ですID:9T7ysov502023/07/06(木) 06:57:52.29
いまだに第一線で活躍し続けてる化け物バンド
44名無しさん@恐縮ですID:DIN70SIS02023/07/06(木) 06:58:47.32
音を正確に聴きたいんならライブ行く必要なくない?
46名無しさん@恐縮ですID:2qKD5tS602023/07/06(木) 06:59:19.78
橋浦さんのことは忘れないでね
47名無しさん@恐縮ですID:i2VRGTye02023/07/06(木) 06:59:26.92
スピッツは良く知らんけど草野マサムネも不倫やら妻子捨てたとかのエピソードは無いん?
92名無しさん@恐縮ですID:kfGqCclu0
>>47
厄介ストーカーに付きまとわれてるって話なら
48名無しさん@恐縮ですID:sCJ0rviE02023/07/06(木) 07:00:21.43
音大き過ぎや
現代人は静謐を嫌い過ぎるんよ
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